Ansatz for Hysteretic oscillation

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation related to oscillations, specifically in the context of hysteretic systems. The equation presented is X'' + iG^2 X + w^2 X = 0, where G^2 = h/m and w^2 = k/m, raising questions about the nature of the oscillations and the implications of the imaginary coefficient.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the variables in the equation, questioning the definitions of X, G, and the significance of the imaginary unit i. There is discussion about the appropriateness of the Ansatz used and the challenges of solving the differential equation with an imaginary coefficient.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the nature of the differential equation and the need for a clearer description of the system. There is recognition that the original Ansatz may not be suitable for the problem at hand, and suggestions for further study in differential equations have been made.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the use of the term "Ansatz" and the implications of having an imaginary coefficient in the equation. There is also mention of the need for initial conditions to solve the equation effectively.

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Homework Statement


Given
X'' + iG^2 X + w^2 X = 0
G^2 = h/m
w^2= k/m
What would be a good "educated guess" to solve that differential equation?
My oscillations and waves teacher asked this on a test and since I didn't see anything depending on the speed of the object X assumed it was a really weird kind of Simple Harmonic Motion.
We were all wrong x.x
I actually don't know if to ask this here or in the math forums

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Ansatz= Acos(ϑt + ϒ)[/B][/B]
It was wrong, i tried to factor iG^2 and w^2 into one big "harmonic" frequency and solve like an SHM
 
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You need to explain what the system is you're describing with the equation.
What is X? displacement?
what is G? what does h/m mean? I know m is mass but what is h?
is i = √(-1)?
Is "Ansatz" your guess as to the solution? not a commonly used term, at least not in the U.S.
 
Ansatz means educated guess, you "guess" the solution to the differential equation

a more general form would be
mX'' + hXi + kX = 0 with m mass, h hysteretic coefficient and k spring constant (all are real constants)
I just don't know how to solve a differential equation with a imaginary (i) number within it, every time i search it takes me into Real damped systems with imaginary roots (but not imaginary coefficients)
i tried solving the system like a harmonic oscillation and it was wrong
 
You may need to take a course in solving differential equations. I don't see that the fact that one of the coefficients of a linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) with constant coefficients is imaginary should be a problem. There is formal math for handling complex numbers.

Anyway, your Ansatz is wrong; it applies to a system without damping, i.e. h = 0.

Since you may not have a background in solving ODE's, look up the solution to the second-order system with damping, i.e. x'' + bx' + kx = 0. You also need a finite initial condition if you want the non-trivial solution (trivial is x = 0).

You also haven't described your system verbally which sort of ties our hands. It's hard for me to imagine that making the damping term imaginary suffices to describe a system with hysteresis. A system with hysteresis requires very advanced math, called "describing functions".
 

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