Antiderivatives of Logarithmic and Radical Functions: Can They Be Solved?

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Homework Statement


\int \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx

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Wolfram Alpha seem to give no answer.
 
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the x2 + 4x makes that impossible to do by analytic means
 


Actually my original problem was determining the convergence or divergence of the following improper integral:
\int^{+∞}_{0} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
I split the integral into
\int^{+∞}_{1} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
and \int^{1}_{0} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
, calculate the antiderivatives, then evaluate the limit of them.
So if I can't calculate the antiderivative, is there any alternative way to see if this integral convergent or not ??
 


Tiny-Tim, how did you know that's impossible to do by analytical means? What should I google to learn more?
 
funcalys said:
Actually my original problem was determining the convergence or divergence of the following improper integral:
\int^{+∞}_{0} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
I split the integral into
\int^{+∞}_{1} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
and \int^{1}_{0} \frac{ln(x^{2}+4^{x})}{\sqrt{3x^{7}+7x^{^3}}}dx
, calculate the antiderivatives, then evaluate the limit of them.
So if I can't calculate the antiderivative, is there any alternative way to see if this integral convergent or not ??

Do you know how to find the asymptotic behavior of your integrand for x \rightarrow \infty and x \rightarrow 0? If yes, then you may use the comparison test.
 
hi superg33k! :smile:
superg33k said:
Tiny-Tim, how did you know that's impossible to do by analytical means? What should I google to learn more?

it's obvious just from looking at it … that bracket is simply too complicated for any of the known techniques to work! :redface:

once you've had lots of practice at differentiating and integrating, you'll see why :smile:
 
Dickfore said:
Do you know how to find the asymptotic behavior of your integrand for x \rightarrow \infty and x \rightarrow 0? If yes, then you may use the comparison test.

I'll start off. Let us consider the upper bound first. For x \rightarrow \infty. x^2 = o(4^x), so the logarithm in the numerator behaves as \sim x \, \ln(4). Similarly, 7 x^3 = o(3 x^7), so the expression under the square root in the denominator behaves as \sim 3 x^7. Therefore, the integrand behaves as:
<br /> \sim \frac{x \, \ln(4)}{\sqrt{3 x^7}} = \frac{\ln(4)}{\sqrt{3}} \, x^{-5/2}<br />
Do you know whether the integral:
<br /> \int_{1}^{\infty}{x^{-5/2} \, dx}<br />
is convergent or divergent?

A similar analysis can be done on the lower bound of the integral. However, what are the dominant terms in this limit?
 


Thank you very much, I can take it from here :D.
 

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