Applied physics of current probe / generator clamps

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The discussion focuses on the application of Maxwell's equations in a setup involving a power cable and two clamps: a current generator clamp and a current probe. The generator clamp induces an alternating current through a ferrite core, creating an alternating magnetic field that affects the power cable. This magnetic field changes the flux around the wire, producing an induced voltage and current that can be measured by the oscilloscope connected to the current probe. Participants suggest conceptualizing the setup as a transformer, where the power conductor acts as a single turn in a transformer circuit. Clarification on the transformer analogy and its relation to current transformers is provided to aid understanding of the electromagnetic principles at play.
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Im studying Maxwell's equations in a part time degree and I starting thinking in job about a particular task we perform...

The situation

In work we have a power cable and attach two items to it. One current-clamp-loop-generator (ferrite core wound N turns with wire) and one current-loop-clamp-probe are placed anywhere on the wire but so they are spaced 50cm apart. Picture the power cable running through two circular loops (clamps)

The current generator clamp is connected to a transient voltage generator and we trigger a high frequency voltage to it, the current clamp probe is attached to a Oscilloscope to measure the induced current on the power cable that is situated 50cm away from the current generator clamp.

So my thinking is the following...

1. The high frequency transient voltage from the transient voltage generator induces an alternating current along the wires which are wrapped around the ferrite core of the current-generator-clamp. The Alternating current then produces an alternating magnetic field.

2. By using the right hand rule and curling my fingers around the loop of the clamp the alternating magnetic field points along the central axis of the loop parallel or anti parallel to the power cable.

3. The alternating magnetic field changes the flux running parallel or anti parallel to the wire (inside it) and thus produces a voltage that will drive an induced current.

4. That induced current flows down the power cable from the position of the current clamp generator to the current clamp probe. The alternating current produces an alternating magnetic field with a flux that changes inside the current clamp probe, this induces voltages and drives a current that is measured on the oscilloscope.

Help
Can someone please assist with my explanation and in the quote place a 1,2,3 or 4 to represent one of the laws of maxwell equations that applies at that situation. I've been struggling all day to get the equations to fit my explanation...
 
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JaneHall89 said:
Im studying Maxwell's equations in a part time degree and I starting thinking in job about a particular task we perform...

The situation

In work we have a power cable and attach two items to it. One current-clamp-loop-generator (ferrite core wound N turns with wire) and one current-loop-clamp-probe are placed anywhere on the wire but so they are spaced 50cm apart. Picture the power cable running through two circular loops (clamps)

The current generator clamp is connected to a transient voltage generator and we trigger a high frequency voltage to it, the current clamp probe is attached to a Oscilloscope to measure the induced current on the power cable that is situated 50cm away from the current generator clamp.

So my thinking is the following...

1. The high frequency transient voltage from the transient voltage generator induces an alternating current along the wires which are wrapped around the ferrite core of the current-generator-clamp. The Alternating current then produces an alternating magnetic field.

2. By using the right hand rule and curling my fingers around the loop of the clamp the alternating magnetic field points along the central axis of the loop parallel or anti parallel to the power cable.

3. The alternating magnetic field changes the flux running parallel or anti parallel to the wire (inside it) and thus produces a voltage that will drive an induced current.

4. That induced current flows down the power cable from the position of the current clamp generator to the current clamp probe. The alternating current produces an alternating magnetic field with a flux that changes inside the current clamp probe, this induces voltages and drives a current that is measured on the oscilloscope.

Help
Can someone please assist with my explanation and in the quote place a 1,2,3 or 4 to represent one of the laws of maxwell equations that applies at that situation. I've been struggling all day to get the equations to fit my explanation...
It's probably just better to think of them as transformers. When you run the power conductor through the core once, that forms a 1-turn primary or secondary on the core (including the return path for the conductor). Then you can just use your traditional transformer equations for an N:1 transformer to figure out how it works. :smile:
 
berkeman said:
It's probably just better to think of them as transformers. When you run the power conductor through the core once, that forms a 1-turn primary or secondary on the core (including the return path for the conductor). Then you can just use your traditional transformer equations for an N:1 transformer to figure out how it works. :smile:
I am not clear what you mean here. Would you be able to explain this differently please?
 
JaneHall89 said:
I am not clear what you mean here. Would you be able to explain this differently please?
Sure. Have a look at this wikipedia page that explains how current transformers work (N:1 transformers):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_transformer

The primary in this case is the single turn of the conductor through the CT core, with the N-turn Secondary connected to a measuring circuit.

The drive circuit you describe would work in a similar way, but with the waveform generator connected to the N-turn Primary side of a CT to drive the waveform into the single turn Secondary.
 
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