Applying a gain of dB to a signal (function) help?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gain in dB for a signal using the formula 10×log10(E1/E2). Participants initially grapple with the confusion between 4dB and 5dB gains, which was later clarified as a typo by the instructor, confirming that the correct gain to apply is 5dB. The calculations show that a gain of 4dB leads to an unexpected lower energy value, prompting further exploration of the constant factor needed to adjust the signal. After resolving the confusion, participants confirm the correct approach to finding the constant factor for the signal. The clarification allows for a reevaluation of the problem using the correct gain value.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


The ratio of the parameters \frac{E_1}{E_2} to find the gain (in dB), 10\timeslog10\frac{E_1}{E_2}.

"To determine the gain factor in part 8, first think about what happens to the energy when you multiply the signal by a constant factor. Then use the logarithmic formula above to solve for the gain factor."

The Attempt at a Solution


Since energy is square of integral of a f(x), I am thinking if f(x) is multiplied by constant factor then energy will be square of that factor greater. I already have E1 of the problem, which is the energy of f(x) above = 2.99. I am confused I think because problem says 5dB then 4dB. anyway..if I assume gain of energy is equal to 4dB i have:

4dB = 10\timeslog10\frac{E_1}{E_2}
0.4 = log10\frac{E_1}{E_2}
\frac{E_1}{E_2} = 2.512 → E2 = \frac{2.99}{2.512} = 1.19

but why is the energy less than the original though? am i doing this right so far??
 
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asdf12312 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


The ratio of the parameters \frac{E_1}{E_2} to find the gain (in dB), 10\timeslog10\frac{E_1}{E_2}.

"To determine the gain factor in part 8, first think about what happens to the energy when you multiply the signal by a constant factor. Then use the logarithmic formula above to solve for the gain factor."


The Attempt at a Solution


Since energy is square of integral of a f(x), I am thinking if f(x) is multiplied by constant factor then energy will be square of that factor greater. I already have E1 of the problem, which is the energy of f(x) above = 2.99. I am confused I think because problem says 5dB then 4dB. anyway..if I assume gain of energy is equal to 4dB i have:

4dB = 10\timeslog10\frac{E_1}{E_2}
0.4 = log10\frac{E_1}{E_2}
\frac{E_1}{E_2} = 2.512 → E2 = \frac{2.99}{2.512} = 1.19

but why is the energy less than the original though? am i doing this right so far??

Why do you say it is less? The ratio of 2.512 is correct.
 
I got confused cause the new energy is less then the one I calculated (2.99). So a gain of 4dB in the energy results in E2=1.19. How would I find the constant factor that I need to multiply the signal by? I am guessing it is something like A*x(t) and I have to find A that results in this new energy value.
 
asdf12312 said:
I got confused cause the new energy is less then the one I calculated (2.99). So a gain of 4dB in the energy results in E2=1.19. How would I find the constant factor that I need to multiply the signal by? I am guessing it is something like A*x(t) and I have to find A that results in this new energy value.
I don't understand the 4dB vs. 5 dB discrepancy, either. Must be a typo.

4dB = 10\timeslog10\frac{E_1}{E_2}
You are confusing ##E_1## and ##E_2##. :frown: Once you sort that out you'll be right.
 
OK that's what I thought. So they would be reversed, right? In that case I get E2=7.51. So then A2=2.74. The ratio \frac{A_2}{A_1} = 1.585. So this would be the constant factor I multiply x(t) by. Is this right?
 
That looks right. Just √(7.51/2.99)
 
"The text for part 8 refers to both a 5 dB and a 4 dB gain. This is a typo. The gain to be applied is 5 dB. This has been corrected in the PDF.."

Our instructor just send out that message lol. so I guess it was a typo..
 
asdf12312 said:
"The text for part 8 refers to both a 5 dB and a 4 dB gain. This is a typo. The gain to be applied is 5 dB. This has been corrected in the PDF.."

Our instructor just send out that message lol. so I guess it was a typo..
That gives you the opportunity to redo the problem, this time using 5dB. :smile:
 
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