Are All 4x4 Vehicles Dangerous and Smelly?

[Integral]

http://www.geenstijl.nl/paginas/mirror/20070215-pritt-mazda/index.html"

 

[Cyrus]

Ewww, most of those cars should be in a dump!

Busted up trash. Nothing nice except that old porsche.

There all junkers like MG's, VW's, a datsun, an old mini cooper...its not even worth the money to tow them outa there.

 

[Integral]

Ewww, most of those cars should be in a dump!

Busted up trash. Nothing nice except that old porsche.

There all junkers like MG's, VW's, a datsun, an old mini cooper...its not even worth the money to tow them outa there.

Are we looking at the same pics. Guess you can't see past the dust.

 

[Cyrus]

I see a lot of old cheap mercedes and fiats.

Trust me, stick with your mustang.

Now if this car were in the collection, that would be another story...wow-we-wa-wa!

 

[Curious3141]

Are you kidding, cyrus?! This was already posted on the Ferrari board I frequent. There's some gold there - including lots of classic Alfas, a Lotus Elan and a Lotus Seven and more!

Fine, so it doesn't have a 300 SL gullwing. Big deal, can't have everything!

 

[Moonbear]

Wow, what a collection! The sheer number of cars there is shocking. I wonder how many of them will run (from the amount of dust, they probably all need at least some minor work to replace cracked hoses and such). If all they need is a good bath, and a bit of body work, what a find! Heck, even if there are only a handful that can be restored out of all those, and you sell the rest for parts to other collectors, it's still gold.

 

[humanino]

I am amazed by this treasure ! This guy is pretty lucky indeed. Do you know how much is actually his ? I am wondering, I know that, in France, when you find a treasure, half of the value goes to the person who discovers it, and half goes to the person who owns it. In that case, it would take a long time to estimate the actual value. And I do not know the laws in Portugal.

 

[turbo]

What a find! The biggest problem I would have is deciding which one to restore first. I know a guy who does full frame-up restorations, and when the car is looking and running like new, he sells it and starts on another one. He would go nuts with this bunch! As for the gull-wing Mercedes. I watched one slowly rot into a field when I was in college. A guy had one (amongst many junkers) and he wanted so much money for it that nobody would pay the price. He just left it out back in the tall grass - about the worst thing you can do to a car. Year after year, I would swing by to take a look at the car as it slowly deteriorated into scaly rust.

 

[Panda]

He bought the house, the land and everything that stands on it. Certainly under UK law he has the right to make the seller clear/pay to clear the junk off his land as it was not in the description of the property, or he can decide to clear the junk out himself.

 

[Schrodinger's Dog]

He bought the house, the land and everything that stands on it. Certainly under UK law he has the right to make the seller clear/pay to clear the junk off his land as it was not in the description of the property, or he can decide to clear the junk out himself.

Or he Could call the Lord at Beaulieu, I think it's Lord Montague, and ask if he's willing to take some old model cars of his hands, for say a pretty tidy sum

http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/

 

[hypatia]

Yes, there are few that would fetch close to 1/2 a million each. I wonder if there is a Barrett Jackson style auction house in Europe?

 

[brewnog]

Yeah, saw this a few weeks ago. Some of the stuff in there is incredible. Porsche Speedster, Lotus Elan, some original Austin Coopers, Lotus Seven, and some of those Alfas are gorgeous.

 

[BobG]

At the least, there's a lot of cars (about 180) with something to start with. A few might be in good condition. The majority probably need quite a bit of work.

There's droppings on most of the cars from a leaking roof, so the best that can be said about the storage is that at least it's better than leaving them in an open field. I would think that most have some rust damage and mold problems with the interior. (At the least, they should all need new interiors, which should improve the world outlook for fabricated seat covers ).

The story on this seems pretty shaky. It's on a lot of forums, but there is no actual story to reference.

 

[Cyrus]

What exactly is so great about a bunch of old fiats, VW, lotus, MGs, and alpha romeos?

Even fully restored, those cars look like rubbish. I still have yet to see any 'rare' cars in that collection. I just see a bunch of 'old' cars, a lot of cars on ebay that would sell for 5k in much better condition.

No good mercedes, no old ferraris, no old lamborgini, no old bmw. Just poor man junkers. Its like finding a barn full of old honda civics and toyota carollas from the early 80s.

 

[radou]

Even fully restored, those cars look like rubbish.

Degustibus.

 

[brewnog]

A 356 a poor man junker? An original Elan? Or an original Seven? None of them touched for god knows how many years? Lancias, Bertones, a P6, and a few Guiliettas?

You obviously missed the old BMWs and Mercedes.

Don't know what you're talking about mate. That lot is worth millions at auction, let alone what each car would be worth to an enthusiast.

If these cars with in Class 2 condition when they were stored, I bet most of them would only need a really good clean, polish, and service to be treated as current classics, rather than restoration projects.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yes, this is a gem of a time capsule. Man, this guy's going to be rich.

 

[Cyrus]

A 356 a poor man junker? An original Elan? Or an original Seven? None of them touched for god knows how many years? Lancias, Bertones, a P6, and a few Guiliettas?

You obviously missed the old BMWs and Mercedes.

Don't know what you're talking about mate. That lot is worth millions at auction, let alone what each car would be worth to an enthusiast.

If these cars with in Class 2 condition when they were stored, I bet most of them would only need a really good clean, polish, and service to be treated as current classics, rather than restoration projects.

Here is a nice lot of Lotus Elans for around 10-15k (and not junkers).

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?p=1&s=10

Whats so great about the lotus?

Want a porsche? Here, buy one for 9k in roughly the same condition:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-Porsche-356B-Sunroof-Coupe-project_W0QQitemZ120084246165QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6428QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

How about a restored minicooper for only 4k.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/78-Austin-Mini-1000cc-4sp-NR_W0QQitemZ220083849447QQihZ012QQcategoryZ107007QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

FYI, those mercedes are nothing special.

Where are these 'special' cars you all see?

How about some real classic cars:

VERY RARE split window VW bug.

http://www.artcenter.edu/carclassic/images/chairmanaward.jpg

Classic lambo.

The cars above, are worth millions. That lot, is fulla crap.

 

[Cyrus]

Another classic

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/10/mbccc01.jpg

http://www.ritzsite.net/300SL/1955_Mercedes_300_SLR_coupe_r3q.JPG

http://z.about.com/d/hartford/1/0/L/3/ferrari250.jpg

Please point cars like these out in those pictures. I see a bunch of 'poor mans' cars. I don't see even half a million worth of cars there. Maybe 100k for the entire lot because some of them might be good.

 

[turbo]

Maybe 100k for the entire lot because some of them might be good.

$100K? Be sure to take wage-paying jobs and don't pursue speculation/investment as a career. I have organized auctions that grossed over $9M each selling militaria, firearms, etc, and I can tell you that the collector market is much healthier and stronger than you might believe, and that there are niche markets for items that were produced in small numbers, even if they are not "hot" or popular. There is tremendous potential in that barn, and I would be proud to bring it to market.

 

[Cyrus]

$100K? Be sure to take wage-paying jobs and don't pursue speculation/investment as a career. I have organized auctions that grossed over $9M each selling militaria, firearms, etc, and I can tell you that the collector market is much healthier and stronger than you might believe, and that there are niche markets for items that were produced in small numbers, even if they are not "hot" or popular. There is tremendous potential in that barn, and I would be proud to bring it to market.

Really? What is so great inside that barn though!? I just see a bunch of old common cars. What exactly in that barn, appart from quantity, is great?

 

[Moonbear]

The classic car market is about nostalgia. Those "common" cars aren't so common anymore. And, a lot of it is simply what strikes the fancy of the buyer. It may not be your taste in classic cars, but they are likely to strike someone's fancy. Sure, there are rusted out junkers in there too, but most of those look like they are still in good condition (they've been stored in a garage, not out in someone's yard). Even if most only sell for between $5000-$10,000, a couple for $15000-$20000, and the really rusted out ones for a few hundred in parts, that's a heck of a lot of money. Remember, this guy paid NOTHING for those cars, they just came with the property, so it's all profit.

 

[turbo]

Really? What is so great inside that barn though!? I just see a bunch of old common cars. What exactly in that barn, appart from quantity, is great?

Originality, for one. Even the cars that are a really rough can have nice original parts that can be sold and rebuilt as opposed to using newly-fabricated copies. To collectors that are serious about keeping their restorations as true-to-life as possible, this is huge! You can part out a 10-year-old Camry for way more than what the car would bring as a whole. What do you think would happen to a 70-year-old car with low production levels in a market with collectors who are serious about originality? There is a nice comfortable retirement sitting in that barn.

 

[Beautiful Mess]

soooo many cars

 

[Andy]

this time next week rodney we will be millionaires!

 

[edward]

What exactly is so great about a bunch of old fiats, VW, lotus, MGs, and alpha romeos?

Even fully restored, those cars look like rubbish. I still have yet to see any 'rare' cars in that collection. I just see a bunch of 'old' cars, a lot of cars on ebay that would sell for 5k in much better condition.

No good mercedes, no old ferraris, no old lamborgini, no old bmw. Just poor man junkers. Its like finding a barn full of old honda civics and toyota carollas from the early 80s.

As with so many things, one mans junk is another mans treasure. And oddly enough today's junk has a way of becoming tomorrow's treasure. 15 years ago the old Chey truck in the link below was junk.

http://auctions.yahoo.com/i:1950%20Chevrolet%203100%20!:225890231

 

[Integral]

As with so many things, one mans junk is another mans treasure. And oddly enough today's junk has a way of becoming tomorrow's treasure. 15 years ago the old Chey truck in the link below was junk.

http://auctions.yahoo.com/i:1950%20Chevrolet%203100%20!:225890231

No way. that era (through the '55s) of Chey PU has NEVER been junk.

(of course that is just my opinion) I learned to drive in one. My dad passed away while I was in the service so I had no say in what happened to our '55 Chevy PU or the '51 Willys Overland (with a chevy 265 V8). I often wonder where they got off to.

 

[edward]

No way. that era (through the '55s) of Chey PU has NEVER been junk.

You got me there, all of the early 50's trucks are very desired.

(of course that is just my opinion) I learned to drive in one. My dad passed away while I was in the service so I had no say in what happened to our '55 Chevy PU or the '51 Willys Overland (with a chevy 265 V8). I often wonder where they got off to.

I have had those feelings of nostalgia for vehicles I once owned, especially my 1940 Ford Coupe. I don't think the younger generation can appreciate this, I know I didn't when I was younger, all I wanted then was an XKE Jag.

At the rate cars are now being fed through the crushers, in a few years there may not be any vehicles left to feel nostalgic about.

 

[Manchot]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

 

[edward]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

LOL no, that is FIAT. Ford is fix or repair daily. I have owned both.

 

[Integral]

You got me there, all of the early 50's trucks are very desired.



I have had those feelings of nostalgia for vehicles I once owned, especially my 1940 Ford Coupe. I don't think the younger generation can appreciate this, I know I didn't when I was younger, all I wanted then was an XKE Jag.

At the rate cars are now being fed through the crushers, in a few years there may not be any vehicles left to feel nostalgic about.

Funny you should mention it, my older brother is restoring his XKE, I do not recall what year it is but he has owned it for 30yrs. It had a Ford V8 installed when he bought it. They had chopped a scoop in the hood to make room for the carb. He is finally getting that all undone and returned to stock (not the engine!) Evidently the original engine was a tinker's dream, like only an Englishman can appreciate.

 

[dontdisturbmycircles]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

I was trying to figure out how you deduced that one, lol.

 

[brewnog]

Funny you should mention it, my older brother is restoring his XKE, I do not recall what year it is but he has owned it for 30yrs. It had a Ford V8 installed when he bought it. They had chopped a scoop in the hood to make room for the carb. He is finally getting that all undone and returned to stock (not the engine!) Evidently the original engine was a tinker's dream, like only an Englishman can appreciate.

Arrrgghhh a Ford engine in an E-Type?! It's a travesty! Tell your brother to put the original XJ6 or the 5.3L V12 engine back in it otherwise I'll be having words.

 

[Cyrus]

I agree. Those XKEs came with a V12.

Why on Earth would anyone put a Ford V8 into that car, its not a hot rod.

Disgusting.

 

[brewnog]

I agree. Those XKEs came with a V12.

Why on Earth would anyone put a Ford V8 into that car, its not a hot rod.

Disgusting.

Cyrus, a true car buff would know that it was only the MKIII which came with the V12. The MKI and II were powered by 3.8 and 4.2 litre straight six DOHC engines first used in the XK120.

 

[Beautiful Mess]

You know what Ford stands for, right? Fix it again, Tony.

F(ix) I(t) A(gain) T(ony) does not make ford any way you look at it...

 

[DaveC426913]

That's a Fiat.

Ford is Fix Or Repair Daily.

(Manchot is embarrassed about now.)

 

[Averagesupernova]

Unfortunately the link does not work for me. I do have one thing to say to Cyrus. Apparently you have missed out on marketing 101. The value of something is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. At an auction a particular item might bring an unusually high amount of money. All it takes for this to happen is 2 bidders, or if the auctioneer is crooked, one bidder. That high amount is what that item was worth on the day of that auction. Only one person walked away with it, so there is still one person out there looking for an item like the one that got away from him. What that item sold for has slightly reinforced his idea of what that particular item is worth. The next auction he may see the same item (not specific) sell and he may quite likely bid higher than he did at the original auction. I've been going to auctions since I was barely able to walk watching things sell from below a dollar to over $100,000. You are quite entitled to your distaste of a certain car or whatever. But if you ever have to organize an estate auction sale or anything similar, I can see you will be throwing money away. I'm always amazed by what people are willing to buy at auctions. Don't assume that just because YOU think something is worthless means everyone else does too.

 

[Cyrus]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

I have a question, would YOU pay a lot of money for those cars?

 

[scorpa]

That's a Fiat.

Ford is Fix Or Repair Daily.

(Manchot is embarrassed about now.)

May as well add another one to the list

Ford = Found On Road Dead

 

[Moonbear]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

That's how that particular market works. People sell some ugly old painting at a garage sale for 50 cents, because to them it's nothing but an eyesore left by great-grandma, only for the buyer to run off to an auction and sell it for $10,000 because someone considers it fine art. It's all about different tastes and how much someone who likes something is willing to spend on it. If you loved something yourself, you wouldn't want to sell it, so while it has potential to sell for a lot of money, it would bring you nothing, because you won't sell it. On the other hand, if you don't think it's really something special enough to keep, you sell it to someone who does think it's special enough to buy. There are lots of reasons someone else might like it. It was the same make, model and year as their first car that they loved, and they like the nostalgia of reliving their youth through it, or they think if they keep it in good condition, the value will only go up and consider it an investment, or they just like tinkering around with old cars and think it's a neat looking car to tinker with, or they want to add it to a museum collection displaying cars made by a particular manufacturer, or they already have one, but need the parts to fix it, etc.

I liked some of the ones in that garage much more than many of the ones in the pictures you posted, in terms of body shape and aesthetics. I'm not into car restoration, so wouldn't personally want any of them, but I can see someone else liking them. So, they're not your taste, and you wouldn't buy one. That doesn't mean they have no value to someone who has different taste than you.

 

[Averagesupernova]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

I have a question, would YOU pay a lot of money for those cars?

Good luck with that. If someone will pay YOU top dollar for it then it is quite likely they will bid AGAINST you at the auction. If I could make a plan like yours work then I'd be wealthy beyond my wildest dreams.
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Now why would I pay a lot of money for cars that I can't even see? The link doesn't work for me. Remember?

 

[Astronuc]

May as well add another one to the list

Ford = Found On Road Dead

That's the one I remember.

The only thing worse is a Ford on Firestones. I had a friend throw a tread on a Firestone 721 steel-belted radial one time - at speed - on the front wheel. Talk about some excitement.

IIRC, Ford historically used Firestone - until recently - when Firestone failures were implicated in some Ford SUV rollovers. Actually, its more the lack of maintenance and care by the drivers in many cases.

 

[DaveC426913]

Ok, FINE. Ill sell that trash at top dollar to some poor sucker and buy some real cars with the cash!

Like it or disdain it, it is fact that this is a booming industry.

And they're not suckers, they know exactly what they're getting, and they know what they can get for it.

The classic car market may not be comparable to "big auto industry", but that doesn't make them any less "real" cars in the sense that they're worth LOTS of money.

 

[Moonbear]

The only thing worse is a Ford on Firestones. I had a friend throw a tread on a Firestone 721 steel-belted radial one time - at speed - on the front wheel. Talk about some excitement.

IIRC, Ford historically used Firestone - until recently - when Firestone failures were implicated in some Ford SUV rollovers. Actually, its more the lack of maintenance and care by the drivers in many cases.

My parents always bought Fords, but also immediately replaced the tires with something other than Firestone...they knew all the way back in 1960 how bad Firestone tires were when they wound up stranded on their honeymoon trip because one tire blew, they replaced that with the spare, then a second blew a little further down the road...no spare left. They never used Firestone again.

 

[Astronuc]

The classic car market may not be comparable to "big auto industry", but that doesn't make them any less "real" cars in the sense that they're worth LOTS of money.

I caught part of a 'classic car' auction on some channel while I was out of town. I couldn't believe the prices people were paying for cars I used to see all the time in the 60's and 70's. However the cars were in mint condition.

 

[Astronuc]

My parents always bought Fords, but also immediately replaced the tires with something other than Firestone...they knew all the way back in 1960 how bad Firestone tires were when they wound up stranded on their honeymoon trip because one tire blew, they replaced that with the spare, then a second blew a little further down the road...no spare left. They never used Firestone again.

I am surprised that Ford stayed with Firestone so long. For some reason, Firestone had problems with their steel-belted radials - much more than other tire manufacturers. I knew of what seem to high a rate of warped treads and torn belts.

 

[mathwonk]

I always thought FORD stood for: Bring it to Eden, my young all seeing solon.

 

[Gokul43201]

I am surprised that Ford stayed with Firestone so long.

What choice do you have when your dad's a Ford and your mother's a Firestone?

Here's a nice pic I just found:

http://www.firestone100.com/history/firsts/first_pop1.jpg​

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Great grandpas Henry and Harvey.

 

[edward]

I caught part of a 'classic car' auction on some channel while I was out of town. I couldn't believe the prices people were paying for cars I used to see all the time in the 60's and 70's. However the cars were in mint condition.

The Barett-Jackson auctions in Phoenix are televised on the Speed Channel.
It is incredible what some of the old iron will bring. With the link below you can find out what your grandfathers Oldsmobile just sold for.

http://www2.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/default.asp

January 30 2007 Barret-Jackson auction results.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/2007-bjcca.pdf