Are Partial Derivatives Commutative for Functions of Multiple Variables?

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The discussion revolves around the commutativity of partial derivatives for functions of multiple variables, specifically examining whether the expression involving second and first partial derivatives holds true under certain conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the statement about partial derivatives might be true, considering different types of functions and their properties. Questions arise about the implications of treating functions as matrices versus scalar functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the functions involved and questioning the original formulation of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the expressions, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the notation and the specific functions being considered, indicating that the original poster may have intended a different formulation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


I would just like to know if this statement is true.

Homework Equations


[tex]\frac {\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2} \frac{\partial g}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial g}{\partial x} \frac {\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've thought about this a bit and I haven't come to a conclusion. Thanks for the help! :smile:
 
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Well, it depends on ##f## and ##g## and not so on the partial derivative. If ##f## and ##g## are "normal" functions like ##f(x)=x^2## for example, then the statement is true. On the other hand, if they represent matrices then generally they wouldn't commute, ie. ##f\cdot g\neq g\cdot f## because ##g## and ##f## do not commute generally.
 
Kyle.Nemeth said:

Homework Statement


I would just like to know if this statement is true.

Homework Equations


[tex]\frac {\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2} \frac{\partial g}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial g}{\partial x} \frac {\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've thought about this a bit and I haven't come to a conclusion. Thanks for the help! :smile:

If you set ##A = \partial g/\partial x## and ##B = \partial^2 f/\partial x^2##, you have written ##A B = B A##, which is true for any two real numbers.

However, if what you really meant was to have
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left( g \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2} \right)[/tex]
on one side and
[tex]\frac{\partial^2} {\partial x^2} \left( f \frac{\partial g}{\partial x} \right)[/tex]
on the other, then that is a much different question.

Which did you mean?
 
I intended for the original question you had answered about [tex]AB=BA[/tex] for any real number. I was assuming that the second derivative had acted on f and the first derivative had acted on g.
 

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