Area between Curves: Find Intersection & Calculate Area

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of the region bounded by the curves y=cos(x) and y=sin(2x) within the interval from 0 to π/2. The original poster is attempting to determine the intersection points of these two functions to establish the limits for integration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to graph the functions and identify the intersection points, expressing uncertainty about how to find these intersections analytically. They mention a specific intersection around x=π/6 and question the validity of their graphical method.
  • Some participants provide algebraic approaches to finding the intersection points, including the use of trigonometric identities and equations derived from setting the two functions equal to each other.
  • Questions arise regarding the applicability of certain trigonometric identities and their relevance to the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different methods to find the intersection points. There is a mix of algebraic manipulation and graphical interpretation being discussed, with some guidance provided on the use of trigonometric identities. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify concepts and approaches without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses concern about the potential for multiple intersections and the implications of the limits provided in the problem statement. There is a discussion about the validity of specific trigonometric identities in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find the area of the region bounded by:
y=cosx, y=sin2x, 0, x=pi/2


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The Attempt at a Solution


I made a graph. I believe I'm trying to find the area I shaded.
6_1_21.GIF

red=cos(x), blue=sin(2x)

I need to find the intersection point so I will know the limits of my 2 integrals.

cosx = sin2x

But I don't know how to do this. There should be an infinite number of intersections, but I am only interested in the one that appears to happen around x=1/2 and the next one at what appears to be pi/2.

I can verify with my calculator that cos(pi/2) and sin(2pi/2) both equal 0, and that the right limit given by the problem is indeed the intersection, but that is not the case for the 1st intersection. How do I solve this? And what if the book gave the right limit as x=2. My method of eyeballing it and verifying my guess with the calculator would fail.

Assuming I find the intersection point, the next thing I was going to do is:
[tex]\left( {\int_0^{?} {\cos x} \,dx\, - \,\int_0^{?} {\sin 2x} \,dx} \right)\, + \,\,\left( {\int_{?}^{\pi /2} {\sin 2x\,dx} - \int_{?}^{\pi /2} {\cos x\,dx} } \right)[/tex]
 
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sin(2x)=2 sinx cos x
cos x= 2sinx cos x
1=2 sin x
sin x =1/2
So the solution is arcsin (1/2). What value of sin x gives us 1/2? pi/6 of course.

Thats the systematic way of doing it, you may also have done cos x= sin (pi/2 -x) so equate them, sin (pi/2 - x)=sin 2x, 2x=pi/2 - x, 3x=pi/2, x=pi/6.

The 2nd way is only useful for angles less than pi/2, which means it can be used here.

Now that you have both intersection points just integrate as how you were going to do next, knowing the ?'s is pi/6.
 
Thanks for your reply.

sin(2x)=2 sinx cosx
I guess that's just a trig identity I forgot? Playing with it on my calculator, I can see that it works for all values of x.

cosx = 2 sinx cosx
Playing with this on my calculator, it does not work for all values of x. Is this a trig identity, or specific to this problem?

If specific to this problem, from sin(2x)=2 sinx cosx i get
cosx = sin(2x)/2sin x

How did you get cosx = 2 sinx cosx ?
 
Sin 2x = 2sinx cos x is a identity you just forgot.

Cos x= 2sinx cos x is specific to the problem. When we want to find points of intersection, we set the 2 functions to be equal, then solve. The functions we have are sin 2x and cos x. Since sin 2x=2sinx cos x for all x, we sub that in, then we have to solve cos x=2sinx cos x.

I don't know why you got cos x= sin(2x)/2 sin x, that's not needed.

cos x = 2sin x cos x

Divide both sides by 2 cos x, sin x=1/2. Solving for that, arcsin 1/2=pi/6
 
The Indentity can be easily seen from expanding the formula for sin(x+y), letting y=x.
 

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