Atwood's Machine, massive pulley and upwards force acting upon it.

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The discussion focuses on analyzing an Atwood's Machine with a massive pulley and an upward force acting on it. The user is attempting to derive the tension (T) and the accelerations (a1, a2) using Newton's Second Law and has set up equations based on the forces acting on the pulley and the masses. Feedback suggests that while concentrating the pulley's mass at its center simplifies calculations, it is only valid if the pulley does not rotate. Additionally, it is recommended to draw free-body diagrams for each mass and the pulley to relate tensions to torques. This approach will provide a clearer understanding of the system dynamics.
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Homework Statement


The usual configuration of an Atwood's Machine.
Two masses: m1, m2
Accelerations (unknown): a1, a2, ap (Pulley)
Rope Tension: T (Unknown)
BUT:
Massive pulley: mp
Upwards force acting on pulley (i.e the pulley is not in equilibrium): F

NOTE: Consider that all the pulley's mass in concentrated at the center of the pulley, so as not to consider the moment of inertia. (Is this ok?)

Question: Find the tension T, and the accelerations a1, a2.

Homework Equations


Newton's Second Law


The Attempt at a Solution


So this is what I tried:
Analyzing the pulley.
F - 2T - mp . g = mp . ap.........(I)

Analyzing the whole System as a unit:
F - (mp + m1 + m2) . g = (mp + m1 + m2) . ap....(II)

Analyzing m1:
T - m1 . g = m1 . a1..........(III)

From (II) I derived ap in terms of known constants, then I replaced ap (in terms of the constants) in (I) and I found T in terms of known constants. Finally I replaced the equation for T in (III).


So this is what I've got. Did I miss anything? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks-
 
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Consider that all the pulley's mass in concentrated at the center of the pulley, so as not to consider the moment of inertia. (Is this ok?)
That is only OK if the operation of the machine means that the pulley does not rotate.

The approach you want is to draw three free-body diagrams, one for each mass and another for the pulley. You need to relate the tensions to the torques on the pulley.
 
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