Available Wind Energy Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of available wind energy, specifically the reasoning behind using the area of a disc (A_d) for determining the mass flow rate (Q) of wind, as opposed to the area of ambient air (A_infinite). The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of wind energy harvesting and the application of conservation of mass principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for available power in wind and questions the use of the disc area (A_d) instead of the ambient air area (A_infinite) in the mass flow rate calculation.
  • Another participant responds that the disc area is used because only the air flowing through the disc can be harvested, implying that the surrounding air does not contribute to the power that can be captured.
  • There is a mention of conservation of mass, with a participant stating the relationship between different areas and velocities, suggesting a need for clarity on why A_d is preferred.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using the disc area versus the ambient air area in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved as no consensus is reached on the reasoning behind the choice of area.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential confusion regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly in relation to the conservation of mass and the definition of areas involved in wind energy harvesting.

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Why we take area of disc, instead of area of ambient air in the assumption of mass flow rate when calculating the available wind energy? Isn't it a contradiction to conservation of mass?
For the avaliable power to be harvested in free-streaming wind:
P=1/2QU^2_infinite (Q: mass flow rate, U_infinite: velocity of free-streaming wind)
And
Q is defined as: p x U_infinite x A_d. (p: density of air, A_d: Area of disc)

I cannot understand the reason of taking the area of disc, A_d, instead of area of ambient air, A_infinite, in the assumption of Q, since under the conservation of mass:
p*U_infinite*A_infinite = p*U_d*A_d = p*U_w*A_w
 
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Welcome to PF, Keith.

keith0101 said:
here in the 2nd slide
What 2nd slide? What presentation? Please always provide links to your source material when posting on PF (and to avoid copyright violations). Thanks.
 
Hi,

For 2nd slide I mean the equation of avalible power in wind, which is:
P=1/2QU^2_infinite (Q: mass flow rate, U_infinite: velocity of free-streaming wind)
And
Q is defined as: p x U_infinite x A_d. (p: density of air, A_d: Area of disc)

I cannot understand the reason of taking the area of disc, A_d, instead of area of ambient air, A_infinite, in the assumption of Q, since under the conservation of mass:
p*U_infinite*A_infinite = p*U_d*A_d = p*U_w*A_w
 
Please post links to your sources for that material, Keith, or your post will be deleted for a copyright violation.

UPDATE - it appears that the OP's solution was to delete the attachments...
 
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You use disk area because the only air you can harvest is that which flows through the disk. Yes, there's much more total air power, but you don't care about the air flowing around the disk, you only care about the air that you could theoretically capture.
 
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