Axial loads and columns selection

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The discussion revolves around selecting an appropriate steel column section for an engineering assignment involving axial loads. Participants explore the calculations necessary to determine the second moment of area for a column subjected to a specified axial load and factor of safety, while also addressing uncertainties regarding bending moments and stresses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Emma seeks assistance with an engineering assignment involving a steel column under an axial load of 450 kN and a factor of safety of 3.
  • Some participants question the need to calculate bending stresses for an axial load, suggesting that bending is not relevant in this context.
  • Emma expresses confusion about the definition of an axial load and its representation, questioning if it is denoted by the symbol P.
  • One participant clarifies that an axial load acts along the axis of the column, causing it to stretch or compress, and suggests that Emma may be misinterpreting the load type.
  • Another participant advises against computing bending stresses and recommends using the Euler buckling formula to ensure that the load does not exceed the critical buckling load.
  • Emma shares her attempt to apply Euler's formula but is uncertain about unit conversions and expresses frustration over discrepancies in her calculations compared to the expected answer.
  • Participants suggest converting all quantities to consistent units (N, mm, MPa) and emphasize the importance of including the factor of safety in calculations.
  • Emma calculates the factor of safety multiplied by the axial load and attempts to apply it in her calculations but continues to arrive at an incorrect value for the second moment of area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of calculating bending stresses for the axial load scenario. There is also ongoing uncertainty regarding the correct application of formulas and unit conversions, with multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of consistent unit conversions and the potential for misunderstanding the application of axial versus transverse loads. There are unresolved issues regarding the correct interpretation of the problem and the calculations involved.

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Hi,

I have a question from an engineering science assignment that I'm stuck on.

1. Select the lightest wide flange section that can be used as a steel column 7 m long tosupport an axial load of 450 kN with a factor of safety of 3. Use 200 MPa as the limit of elasticity, 200 GPa as the modulus of elasticity and assume that the column is simply supported.

I have a printout with my assignment of universal columns dimensions and properties. As part of this printout I have the final answer on a answer sheet = Second moment of area, I = 3351 cm^4.

Im not sure if I need to work out bending moments and bending stresses, or if there is a formula to work this out using the figures I have been given.

I have looked in my textbook for this, however as I'm slowly finding out my textbook is not brilliant.

If anyone can help or knows of any good tutorial websites for this it would be a big help.

Thanks

Emma
 
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Why would you need to calculate bending stresses for an axial load?
 
Hi,

Thank you for your reply.

I don't really know what an axial load is!

I can't find it in my textbook. Is it known as something else?

Am I right in thinking the symbol for an axial load is P?

I have looked on the internet but can't seem to find any formulas to work this out.

Thanks

Emma
 
An axial load is one whose line of action is through the axis. The beam will stretch or compress lengthwise rather than bend.

[STRIKE]So you probably have a transverse load (one perpendicular to the axis), which makes the "simply supported" condition make more sense. Yes, you do need to calculate the maximum bending moment and then calculate the bending stresses as a function of beam shape. Any good mechanics book (e.g., Beer and Johnston) will describe how to do this.[/STRIKE]

EDIT: I missed the description "column" in the original question, which makes it more likely that the load is axial after all. Take nvn's advice below.
 
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Emzielou83: Don't compute the bending stresses. Look for the Euler buckling formula. Ensure FS*P does not exceed the Euler buckling formula load, where FS = factor of safety, and P = axial load = 450 kN. Perhaps (?) also ensure FS times the column axial stress does not exceed the elastic limit listed in post 1.
 
Thanks both for your help.

I have found the eulers formula:

P = pi^EI/ L^2

After transposing the formula to find I :

putting in my numbers of:

P= 450 kN
E = 200 GPa
L = 7 m

I am not sure what these units are (m2/cm2 etc) because E is in GPa and I don't know if I was supposed to put this as MPa first.

Even if I got the units wrong though, the answer still does not match. (I = 3351 cm^4.)

Thanks once again for your help

Emma
 
Emzielou83: Before you work the problem, convert all numbers to either N, mm, MPa, or N, m, Pa. Try it again. Also, didn't you forget to multiply P by FS in your above formula? See post 5. Also, there is a minor typo in your above formula.
 
nvn:

I have done the FS*P calculation and it works out as 1350kN, (3*450kN). So in MPa would be 1350/7^2 = 27.55 kPa, (kN/m^2). Is this correct?

I'm still confused over the rest of it though, mainly because I keep coming out with the wrong answer.

Using the formula: P = pi^2EI/L^2

450= pi^2*200*I/7^2

450 = 9.869*0.2*I/49

49*450 = 1973.92*I

22050 = 1973.92*I

22050/1973.92 = I

11.1706 = I

I think that I should be in cm^4, but my answer is wrong (correct answer 3351 cm^4). Can you see what I am doing that is incorrect?

Much appreciated,

Emma
 
Emzielou83: First convert all quantities to N, mm, and MPa. Therefore, go ahead and convert (and list) all values, so we can see where the trouble is coming in. I.e., convert P in kN to N, convert E in GPa to MPa, etc. Try it again. Regarding your formula, go ahead and change P in your equation to FS*P.
 

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