Bessell equation/functions of order 0

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The discussion revolves around the Bessel functions of order 0, specifically in the context of solving partial differential equations (PDEs) using separation of variables. The original poster is examining the Laplace heat equation in cylindrical coordinates, leading to the need for understanding the properties and differences between the Bessel functions J_0 and Y_0.

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  • The original poster seeks to understand the differences between J_0 and Y_0, questioning their graphical representations and properties. They also inquire about the implications of these functions in relation to eigenvalues in PDE problems.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's questions, providing insights into the behavior of the functions at specific points, such as x=0, and discussing their even and odd properties. There is an exchange of information regarding the graphical representation of the functions and the numerical methods for finding roots.

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There is a mention of the need for numerical methods to find the roots of Y_0, and the discussion includes the consideration of function definitions in relation to their domains, particularly for Y_0 being defined only for x > 0.

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just trying to solve PDEs by sep of variables;

am looking at laplace heat equation cylindrical problem and the equation that results is bessell function order 0...

in my notes, I have that the general solution to the equation is: R=AJ_0(r)+BY_0(r)

where J_0 and Y_0 apparently denote two independent functions to the equation and I think that both of these functions are 0 order...

My question is, how do J_0 and Y_0 differ from each other...looking on wikipedia page (my go to guide), it only shows a graph of one 0 order bessel, that is a max it 0 and has infinitely many roots..I think..

so for example if the function I just described corresponded to J_0 what would Y_0 look like...would it be pretty much the same but out of phase? I reasoned that this might be the case because this is how cos and sine are related...

Also advice on the key properties of bessell 0 order functions would be appreciated especially those properties that are relevant to finding eigenvalues in PDE sep variable problems...ie, At what values are the roots found and so on...
 
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AStaunton said:
just trying to solve PDEs by sep of variables;

am looking at laplace heat equation cylindrical problem and the equation that results is bessell function order 0...

in my notes, I have that the general solution to the equation is: R=AJ_0(r)+BY_0(r)

where J_0 and Y_0 apparently denote two independent functions to the equation and I think that both of these functions are 0 order...

My question is, how do J_0 and Y_0 differ from each other...looking on wikipedia page (my go to guide), it only shows a graph of one 0 order bessel, that is a max it 0 and has infinitely many roots..I think..

so for example if the function I just described corresponded to J_0 what would Y_0 look like...would it be pretty much the same but out of phase? I reasoned that this might be the case because this is how cos and sine are related...

Also advice on the key properties of bessell 0 order functions would be appreciated especially those properties that are relevant to finding eigenvalues in PDE sep variable problems...ie, At what values are the roots found and so on...

Perhaps you didn't look far enough down the Wikipedia page. If you weren't looking at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessel_function

look there now. Scroll down for a picture of Y0. They don't look pretty much the same near x = 0. As far as finding the roots, you would have to find them numerically. In a separation of variables problem perhaps you can get by symbolically, like x1 is the first positive root of Y0 or some such. Hard to say more without more particulars.
 
thanks..

would I be correct in saying that Y_0 blows up at x=0?

Also, I think J_0 is an even function, is Y_0 odd?
 
on an unrelated topic...you give a very good tip about putting the Greek alphabet and other ubiquitous symbols in your signature...can you please tell me how to edit my signature?
 
AStaunton said:
thanks..

would I be correct in saying that Y_0 blows up at x=0?

Yes.

Also, I think J_0 is an even function, is Y_0 odd?
Yes, J0 is even as you can see form its series. If my memory serves, if you are considering real functions only then Y0 is defined for x > 0 only.
AStaunton said:
on an unrelated topic...you give a very good tip about putting the Greek alphabet and other ubiquitous symbols in your signature...can you please tell me how to edit my signature?

Go to my PF at the top left and you will see a place to edit your .sig file.
 

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