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I wanted to search for a song but all i had was the words, stay with me, i had hundreds of hits,but as yet not found what i wanted.
Try googling Shakespeares Sister.
Google is your friend!
What kind of information are you looking for?search engines are only as good as the net they are searching. most of the stuff I am looking for is not yet digitised or is pay to view. Finding a song is one thing but a search for facts ......
I wanted to search for a song but all i had was the words, stay with me, i had hundreds of hits,but as yet not found what i wanted.
Google just bought http://vark.com/ [Broken] It's kinda interesting.
What kind of information are you looking for?
Sounds like he's talking about Journals that still charge $40 per article. Even with all my university's subscriptions, I still run into articles that I can't get/find free on any of our data-bases or public sites.
Lots of Journals are resistant to the open access movement because they stand to lose money (APA is particularly notorious for this).
They exist because they make money. Take away the money and they won't exist. Cough up the money if you REALLY want it.Sounds like he's talking about Journals that still charge $40 per article. Even with all my university's subscriptions, I still run into articles that I can't get/find free on any of our data-bases or public sites.
Lots of Journals are resistant to the open access movement because they stand to lose money (APA is particularly notorious for this).
They exist because they make money. Take away the money and they won't exist. Cough up the money if you REALLY want it.
It's doubtful they will go away.True, that is the status quo, but if they didn't exist, what would replace them?
It's doubtful they will go away.
We're not talking about music. We're talking about science, we're talking about peer review, although that is merely cronyism in too many cases as has sadly been revealed in some horrendous abuses lately. (MMR vaccine scare fraud is one horrific case)Hmmm... I'm sure that the RIAA thought the same for a very long time... maybe they still do. Eventually if they don't reform, there will be a black market for them, and it won't be a friendly exchange on a private network. I find the entire practice unfortunate, but I can't really argue that they'll go away, they may however find that entities such as Google actively seek their obsolescence.
The APA is powerful, but nothing compared to some of the entities out there which are seeking to cenralize ifnormation.
We're not talking about music. We're talking about science, we're talking about peer review, although that is merely croynism in too many cases as has sadly been revealed in some horrendous abuses lately. (MMR vaccine scare fraud is one horrific case)
I doubt that there is a huge number of bored teenagers wanting to set up sites for illegal downloads of scientific papers.
And let's be very clear, posting copyrighted material without authorization is ILLEGAL and this forum will not in any way, shape, or form allow discussion of or condone illegal behavior.
Well I had a friend once tell me my searching method is horrible and I should use quotes and type keywords that i'm searching for ect... but I have found it to be most effective. What I do is basically just type the question I am thinking of. So like you came here and posted what is the lyrics to this song it has xyz in it. <-- So that is exactly what I would type into the search and a lot of the times I will get the answer or at least a clue to it. I think with the addition of stuff like yahoo answers on the net this method works amazingly well. As the chances that one of the billions of questions asked on that site are exactly the same as what you asked the search are oddly high. It'll work for most anything and the more popular the thing your searching is the better it'll work.
Searching for the question can work, but since you're really looking for the answer, try searching for that instead.
Here's what I mean. Suppose you search for, "Where is the oldest cedar?" you'll get some results and you can probably find the information with a bit of clicking. But if you search for "The oldest cedar tree" you'll get results straight away.
They exist because they make money. Take away the money and they won't exist. Cough up the money if you REALLY want it.
It doesn't quite work like that. Authors and libraries are really the main support of the journals (authors pay a much more significant fee than $40 to have their work published... or should I say you and I pay for it with taxes that become grants... but that's fine with me, and how it should be in my opinion).
There's a open access movement among librarians already (in fact, they're the ones that promote it to the local scientists here) who are the key customers to journals.
It's actually the authors responsibility to make sure his papers are easily available. Open access puiblishing been shown to greatly increase a factor called "Research impact" in integer-folds. So it's actually going to be a losing battle to be a stingy publishing company. Authors want research impact.
Of course, if you nearly have a monopoly on the field (APA, for example) there's little competition to motivate fairer prices for the readers so you can hold out longer (as they have).
What kind of information are you looking for?