Block and disk on double inclined plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block and a disk on a double inclined plane, connected by a massless string over a pulley. The goal is to find the maximum mass ratio of the block to the disk that allows the disk to roll without slipping. Key equations involve torque, tension, and friction coefficients, with the static friction coefficient being 0.05 and the kinetic friction coefficient 0.15. The final calculated mass ratio is approximately 2.22, although there are concerns about potential errors in the initial calculations and the physical impossibility of the kinetic friction coefficient exceeding the static friction coefficient. Overall, the solution appears correct despite minor typos and clarifications needed in the approach.
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Homework Statement



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A block of mass mb and a disk of mass md and radius r are placed on a symmetric triangular slope connected with a massless string over a massless pulley as shown above. The string is connected to a center axle of the disk so that the disk is free to rotate. The moment of inertia of the disk about its axle is I=1/2*m_d*r^2. The coefficient of static friction between the slope and the block/disk is 0.05 and the coefficient of kinetic friction between the slope and the block/disk is 0.15. The angle θ is 30∘.

Reminder: sin(30∘)=cos(60∘)=12 and cos(30∘)=sin(60∘)=3√2

Find the maximum ratio m_b/m_d such that the disk still rolls without slipping up the hill.

Homework Equations


Just to be clear I'm using:
t = torque and
T = tension

t_net = I*alpha
F_net = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution


Since its the maximum ratio m_b/m_d, the static friction must be at its max: mu_s*m*g*cos(theta) so

t_net = r*mu_s*m_d*g*cos(theta) = I*alpha = 1/2*m_d*r^2*a/r = 1/2*m_d*r*a

This simplifies to:

2*mu_s*g*cos(theta) = a

Then for the disk the addition of N+F_g = m_d*g*sin(theta) and:

F_net = T - m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s - m_d*g*sin(theta) = m_d*a
T = m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s + m_d*g*sin(theta) + m_d*a

and for the block (I'm not sure if I've messed up the signs here, I guessed that the positive axis should point towards the acceleration):

F_net = m_b*g*sin(theta) - T - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k = m_b*a
T = m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k - m_b*a

m_d*g*cos(theta)*mu_s + m_d*g*sin(theta) + m_d*a = m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_b*g*cos(theta)*mu_k - m_b*a

then I plugged in 2*mu_s*g*cos(theta) = a and simplified:

m_d(mu_s + tan(theta) + 2*mu_s) = m_b(tan(theta) - mu_k - 2*mu_s)

and finally:

m_b/m_d = (mu_s + tan(theta) + 2*mu_s)/(tan(theta) - mu_k - 2*mu_s) = 2.22193

But I just realized I forgot a mu_s in my original solution so is this correct?
 
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Overall, your work looks correct and I think your final answer is correct. I noticed a couple of trivial typos:
Reminder: sin(30∘)=cos(60∘)=12 and cos(30∘)=sin(60∘)=3√2
Also, I don't follow your statement:
Then for the disk the addition of N+F_g = m_d*g*sin(theta)
But I don't think you used this.
 
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TSny said:
Overall, your work looks correct and I think your final answer is correct. I noticed a couple of trivial typos:

Also, I don't follow your statement: But I don't think you used this.
Yes it was correct, thank you.
 
It is physically impossible for the kinetic friction coefficient to exceed the static friction coefficient. Did you quote them correctly?
 
haruspex said:
It is physically impossible for the kinetic friction coefficient to exceed the static friction coefficient. Did you quote them correctly?
Yes, I copied and pasted it... that's strange
 
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