Block Diagram Reduction - Control Systems Engineering

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The discussion focuses on determining the closed-loop transfer function G1(s) in a control systems engineering context. The solution provided indicates that G1(s) can be expressed as 4(s + 2) + 1, simplifying to 4s + 9. Participants clarify that G1(s) is derived from the output of the summing block, which combines the input with the feedback gain. The confusion arises from understanding how the components of the block diagram contribute to G1(s). Ultimately, the derivation of G1(s) is confirmed as accurate, facilitating the resolution of the overall problem.
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Homework Statement


Determine the closed loop transfer functions of the systems shown below:

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Homework Equations


Standard block diagram algebra.

The Attempt at a Solution



I've moved the take off point such that the diagram now looks like:

Screenshot (40).png


I am having difficulty determining G1(s). The solution given is

G1(s) = 4(s + 2) + 1 = 4s + 9

But it is not obvious to me where this is coming from. Taking G1(s) as given, I am able to solve the rest of the question without issue.

Any help appreciated.
 
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The question is a little confusing. The combination of the (s+2) and the gain 4 is clearly 4(s+2). Is that what you mean by G1? If you want to consolidate that loop (second diagram) including the summation block, it would be 4(s+2)+1.
 
MechEngJordan said:
G1(s) = 4(s + 2) + 1 = 4s + 9
But it is not obvious to me where this is coming from. Taking G1(s) as given, I am able to solve the rest of the question without issue.
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You have nothing to do than to write down the output of the summing block as a function of the input:
Vout=Vin + Vin*4*(s+2)=Vin(1+4(s+2)).
From this it follows Vout/Vin=4s+9
 

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