Block of Sandpaper along the ceiling

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The problem involves a block of sandpaper being pushed along the ceiling, requiring an analysis of forces, friction, and acceleration. The scenario includes a block with a specified mass, an applied force at an angle, and a coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal force, questioning whether it should equal the weight of the block or include the y-component of the applied force. Some express confusion over arriving at a negative acceleration and its implications.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the necessity of considering the y-component of the applied force in determining the normal force. There is acknowledgment that a negative acceleration could indicate that the frictional force exceeds the applied force, leading to a lack of movement.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of force components and friction in a non-standard orientation (ceiling), which may affect their assumptions about normal force and motion.

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Homework Statement


A 5.49 kg block covered in sandpaper is pushed along the ceiling of a room under construction. The block is pushed across the ceiling with a force of 81.6 N directed at an angle of 70.0° to the horizontal. If the coefficient of kinetic friction between the paper and the ceiling is 0.533, what acceleration does the block undergo?


Homework Equations


component forces in x-direction = Fextcos70 - Ff

The Attempt at a Solution


ma = Fextcos70 - uFn
= 81.6cos70 - (0.533)(5.49*9.8)
= 27.9 - 28.7

** so i would get a negative number: that doesn't really make sense. Here I say that the normal force is equal in magnitude to the weight. Is this correct? Or do i need to include the y-component of the push when looking for the normal force?
Help would greatly be appreciated!
 
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indietro said:
Here I say that the normal force is equal in magnitude to the weight. Is this correct? Or do i need to include the y-component of the push when looking for the normal force?

you certainly need to do that. suppose you get an hydraulick and push the block against the
ceiling with 10000N. do you think the normal force is still m.g

It is possible to end up with a negative number. That just means that the friction is too large
and the block won't move
 
Thank you! when i also consider the y-component of the push when finding Fn it works out :) and ends up with a positive acceleration
 

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