Blocks attached with spring is released from rest

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The problem involves a system of blocks attached to a spring, released from rest, with the goal of determining the maximum elongation of the spring. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and forces acting on the system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using energy conservation versus force balancing to find the maximum elongation of the spring. The original poster attempts to apply both methods and questions the validity of using force balance in this dynamic scenario.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the dynamics of the system, noting that the mass will oscillate around the equilibrium point and that energy conservation is a more appropriate method for this problem. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of using force balance in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the system being released from a height and the resulting kinetic energy, as well as the assumptions regarding equilibrium and acceleration at maximum elongation.

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1. Consider the situation shown in figure. Initially the spring is unstretched when the system is released from rest. Assuming no friction in the pulley, find the maximum elongation of the spring.
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I know that i can solve this problem by energy conservation.
mgx=1/2*k*x^2
so x=2mg/k

But i was thinking why can't we solve this problem by balancing of force.
mg=kx
so x=mg/k

because spring will stretched untll mg=kx

Please tell me where i am wrong in this[/B]
 
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mg = kx locates the equilibrium point if the system were to come to rest. However, released from a height where the system is not at equilibrium, as the mass falls the system gains kinetic energy from the change in gravitational potential energy. It will shoot by the equilibrium point. In fact the system will continue to oscillate around the equilibrium point so long as there are no energy losses.
 
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ok i got it now. it will shoot by the equilibrium point. that's why balancing of force was giving less elongation. so should i do these type of problem by energy conservation and not by balancing of force.
 
lavankohsa said:
ok i got it now. it will shoot by the equilibrium point. that's why balancing of force was giving less elongation. so should i do these type of problem by energy conservation and not by balancing of force.
When it's at it's equilibrium, there is no acceleration (which is what you solved for) but when it is at it's maximum elongation, the block is accelerating upwards (so the spring force is greater than mg). That's why using energy would be the way to go.
 
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