Book of T-S diagrams, or the like

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The discussion centers on the need for comprehensive thermodynamic charts, specifically T-S diagrams, for chemical engineering applications. The user, transitioning from a chemistry background, finds limitations in Perry's Chemical Engineers' Handbook, particularly the absence of charts for common substances like CO2. Participants suggest utilizing resources such as REFPROP from NIST, Google searches for specific diagrams, and chemical process simulation software like Aspen, which contains extensive thermodynamic data. The conversation emphasizes the balance between physical resources and digital tools in chemical engineering.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of thermodynamic principles and charts
  • Familiarity with chemical engineering resources like Perry's Chemical Engineers' Handbook
  • Knowledge of software tools such as REFPROP and Aspen
  • Basic research skills for locating scientific literature and diagrams
NEXT STEPS
  • Research "T-S diagrams for CO2 and hydrocarbons" to find specific resources
  • Explore "REFPROP NIST" for thermodynamic data and charts
  • Investigate "Aspen Plus" for chemical process simulation and data access
  • Look into "ACS/AIChE publications" for additional thermodynamic literature
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Chemical engineering students, professionals seeking thermodynamic data, and researchers looking for physical resources and literature on thermodynamic charts.

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Hello - I just starting out in chemical engineering. I hold a batchelor's degree in Chemistry, and am making a transition to ChemE. This isn't for any class, just in general for reference, does anyone know of a good book that is primarily just thermodynamic charts, like T-S diagrams? I have Perry's and it definitely has a lot of charts, but only about every seventh or eighth compound has one. Normally, this probably wouldn't really be something to sneeze over, until I found no chart for CO2. Upon further investigation, I found that many of the hydrocarbons don't have charts in Perry's either. But our professor is saying that chemical engineers first go to steam tables to get estimates in industry. I found a book on amazon called The T-S diagram from 1911. I assume I would want something newer.

Am I missing something here and there really are just tons of books out there? Or do Chemical Engineers only have a few substances that they work with and just plug numbers into programs for the less used substances to get the final answer every time, even though they only need an estimate of the heat requirement for a process, for example? Or am I just missing the resources?

And I have REFPROP - NIST and other electronic databanks, but I really do like to use physical resources when I can, so I'm really specifically asking about physical books and such.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Applied Thermodynamics, ACS State of the Art Symposia, reprints from I&EC 1967-1968, Kwang-Chu Chao (presumably editor). If you can run down some of the more obscure ACS/AIChE material you may find yourself in luck --- more than likely the opposite --- I grabbed what I could many years ago.
 
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Why don't you just Google the T-S diagrams of the substances you are interested in? I found one pretty easily for CO2. Also, chemical process simulation software like Aspen has lots of thermo data in its data banks.
 
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Applied Thermodynamics, ACS State of the Art Symposia, reprints from I&EC 1967-1968, Kwang-Chu Chao (presumably editor). If you can run down some of the more obscure ACS/AIChE material you may find yourself in luck --- more than likely the opposite --- I grabbed what I could many years ago.
This looks good! Thanks for the suggestion!
 
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Why don't you just Google the T-S diagrams of the substances you are interested in? I found one pretty easily for CO2. Also, chemical process simulation software like Aspen has lots of thermo data in its data banks.
Thank you for the reply! Yes, I found three different ones in less than two minutes that worked fine. I'm certainly not opposed to google, and use it for pretty much everything, but I guess I'm old school a little bit in that I prefer to flip through a physical page if it doesn't make me lose efficiency and time in my work. Its purely a preference and aesthetics thing.
 

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