Book recommendations on geometrical methods for physicists

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for books on geometrical methods relevant to physicists, specifically focusing on topics such as topology and differential geometry. Participants explore various texts and their suitability for learning these subjects, considering both theoretical and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for books on geometrical methods for physicists, emphasizing a focus on topology and differential geometry.
  • Several participants provide links to books, suggesting a variety of texts that cover differential geometry.
  • One participant notes the vastness of differential geometry and questions whether the original poster is looking for practical algorithms or theoretical understanding.
  • Burke's Applied Differential Geometry and Baez & Munian's Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity are mentioned as valuable supplementary texts, though their comprehensiveness is questioned.
  • Another participant suggests John M. Lee's textbooks on manifolds as primary sources, arguing they are more comprehensive for learning modern differential geometry.
  • Concerns are raised about the time commitment required to study multiple comprehensive texts, with a preference expressed for books aimed specifically at physicists that focus on essential concepts.
  • One participant argues that a balance must be struck between learning the underlying mathematics and a more streamlined physicist's approach, which may not cover the depth of the subject.
  • Tu's Introduction to Manifolds and Differential Geometry are recommended as clearer and more streamlined alternatives to Lee's exhaustive texts.
  • Barrett's Semi-Riemannian Geometry is suggested for its relevance to General and Special Relativity, covering material found in Lee's and Tu's books at a faster pace.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to learning geometrical methods, with some advocating for comprehensive texts while others prefer more focused resources tailored for physicists. There is no consensus on a single recommended book or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the varying depth and pedagogical approaches of different texts, indicating that the choice of book may depend on the reader's goals and background in mathematics.

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Hello,
I would like to obtain a book that has to do with geometrical methods/subjects for physicists. When i say geometrical methods/subjects i mean things like Topology, Differential Geometry etc.

Thanks!
 
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Differential geometry is a huge subject; different branches of physics use different parts of that subject. There is a variety of books covering this topic, as stated by one of our colleagues above. In case if you are looking for really working algorithms and software implementing methods of differential geometry for physical problems, they are hard to come by. Are you looking for such practical sources ?
 
Burke's Applied Differential Geometry and Baez & Munian's Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity are good "extra" texts to have for what you're looking for, because of their insightful treatments of the material they cover.
 
NumericalFEA said:
Differential geometry is a huge subject; different branches of physics use different parts of that subject. There is a variety of books covering this topic, as stated by one of our colleagues above. In case if you are looking for really working algorithms and software implementing methods of differential geometry for physical problems, they are hard to come by. Are you looking for such practical sources ?
No, i want to learn the underlying mathematics with some applications(which do not use algorithms and stuff)
 
The Bill said:
Burke's Applied Differential Geometry and Baez & Munian's Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity are good "extra" texts to have for what you're looking for, because of their insightful treatments of the material they cover.
Why did you add the word "Extra"? One can not learn by only using those books?
 
Adam Landos said:
Why did you add the word "Extra"? One can not learn by only using those books?

Because they aren't as comprehensive as the books I'd recommend as primary sources for learning modern differential geometry, and their pedagogy is aimed in a different direction.

For primary books, I'd recommend John M Lee's three textbooks on manifolds. Topological, then Smooth, then Riemannian.
 
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The Bill said:
Because they aren't as comprehensive as the books I'd recommend as primary sources for learning modern differential geometry, and their pedagogy is aimed in a different direction.

For primary books, I'd recommend John M Lee's three textbooks on manifolds. Topological, then Smooth, then Riemannian.
But going through three books will be very time depleting, especially for self study. The reason that i want a book on these subjects that is aimed at physicists is because physicists only learn the stuff that they need, so i would conserve time by reading a book like that. Otherwise, i would learn those subject in the deepest way, in a way that might contain your three books.
 
Adam Landos said:
But going through three books will be very time depleting, especially for self study. The reason that i want a book on these subjects that is aimed at physicists is because physicists only learn the stuff that they need, so i would conserve time by reading a book like that. Otherwise, i would learn those subject in the deepest way, in a way that might contain your three books.
All the books I mentioned are famous in their class and are usually recommended. But I think Schutz's is more proper for you.
 
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You can't have it both ways. Either you learn the underlying mathematics, which will take several books. Or you take the physicists approach which will teach you how to teach the computations but not the underlying math.
 
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I'd recommend Tu's Introduction to Manifolds and then his Differential Geometry book. Lee's books are the best but they are pretty exhaustive. Tu's are much more streamlined, and, IMO, clearer and you can probably learn 80% of what is in Lee's books.
 
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I would also recommend Barrett's Semi-Riemannian Geometry. The nice thing about that book is that it deals with the Geometry of General and Special Relativity. It also covers much of what is in Lee's and Tu's books but at a much more rapid pace.
 
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