Buoyant Force Problem: Equilibrium and Submerged Objects Explained

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The problem involves a beam with a fulcrum and two suspended objects, exploring the effects of submerging the system underwater on its equilibrium state. The objects have identical volumes but different masses, and the discussion centers on whether the equilibrium will be disturbed when submerged.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between buoyant force and equilibrium, questioning whether identical volumes lead to equal buoyant forces. There is a debate over the concept of mass reduction versus weight reduction and the implications of different buoyant forces on equilibrium.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the effects of buoyancy on the equilibrium of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of mass reduction and buoyant force, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the setup of the problem, particularly the positioning of the fulcrum and the definitions of mass reduction. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the buoyant forces acting on the different masses.

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Homework Statement


If two objects are suspended from strings on opposite side of a beam with a fulcrum halfway between and has reached equilibrium, if the entire system is submerged underwater will equilibrium be disturbed?
The volumes are identical. The mass's are not equal but it is in equilibrium because one is closer to the center of mass than the other.


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I said it won't be because each side will have an equal buoyant force due to identical volumes so the equilibrium will not be upset. However chegg.com says equilibrium will be upset.


originally
m1gL1 = m2gL2
m1L1 = m2L2
m1/m2 = L2/L1

Then it says something I'm having a hard time making sense of.
It says let the mass of reduction of each mass by c1 and c2 where c1≠c2
(m1 - c1)/(m2 - c2) ≠ m1/m2
therefore equilibrium will be disturbed.

I don't get it. c1 and c2 is the mass each loses? mass reduction wutt?? wouldn't the mass of reduction be the same since they displace and equal volume of water?
 
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PsychonautQQ said:
it is in equilibrium because one is closer to the center of mass than the other

I said it won't be because each side will have an equal buoyant force due to identical volumes so the equilibrium will not be upset.

Think.
 
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PsychonautQQ said:
It says let the mass of reduction of each mass by c1 and c2 where c1≠c2
(m1 - c1)/(m2 - c2) ≠ m1/m2
therefore equilibrium will be disturbed.
I don't like calling it mass reduction. Weight reduction perhaps, but I prefer to think of it as adding a buoyant force to each. Now, are you sure it says c1 ≠ c2? From the rest of the question, I would say you have c1 = c2 but m1 ≠ m2. Does it make sense to you then? ( It's also strange that at first you say the fulcrum is half way, but then later it clearly is not.)
 
Equilibrium doesn't just depend on force...:wink:
 

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