Calc ∆Ho & ∆Eo for CH3OH Reaction @ 298K

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The discussion revolves around calculating the enthalpy change (∆Ho298) and internal energy change (∆Eo298) for the reaction CH3OH(l) → CH4(g) + 1/2 O2(g) at 298K. The calculation for ∆Ho298 is provided, yielding 163.53 kJ/mol, while participants express uncertainty about determining ∆E, suggesting the need to account for the change in PV. For calculating ∆H at 500°C, it is recommended to use molar heat capacities and Hess's law, with a formula proposed for the calculation. Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between ∆G and ∆H in the context of the problem. The conversation emphasizes the importance of state functions in thermodynamic calculations.
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Homework Statement


For the reaction CH3OH(l) → CH4 (g)+ 1/2 O2 (g)[/B]
(a) Calculate ∆Ho298

(b) Calculate ∆Eo298

(c) Write an equation that would allow you to determine ∆H at 500°C and 1atm

Homework Equations


∆H=∆E+∆(PV)
∆H=Σ∆Hproducts-Σ∆Hreactants

The Attempt at a Solution



a) [∆(CH4)+.5(∆O2)]-∆(CH3OH)=[-74.87 kJ/mol + .5(0 kJ/mol)]-(-238.4 kJ/mol)=∆o298=163.53 kJ/mol

b) I'm lost on how to find the change in internal energy of the system here... Is there a PV integral for work, maybe? If I can't solve it, I may be a smart ass and just write "energy is conserved, so ΔE is 0 for the universe"

c) ΔGo=ΔHo-TΔSo would be my approach here, any feedback on whether this is correct and why would be appreciated
 
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Part b):

To get ΔE, you have to subtract Δ(PV). What is the molar volume of methanol liquid? You can use the ideal gas law to get the molar volume of methane and oxygen.

In part c), are you asking about ΔG or ΔH. There's nothing after the Δ.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
Part b):

To get ΔE, you have to subtract Δ(PV). What is the molar volume of methanol liquid? You can use the ideal gas law to get the molar volume of methane and oxygen.

In part c), are you asking about ΔG or ΔH. There's nothing after the Δ.

Chet
Thank you! I will try the enthalpy=energy+pv equation.
in (c) it was meant to be delta H, I've edited it so it should appear now.
 
For part c), you just start with ΔH at 298K and 1 atm, and use molar heat capacities in conjunction with Hess's law to get ΔH at 500 K. Remember Hess's law?

Chet
 
Yup! The sum of the state functions of the products minus the sum of the state functions of the reactants is equal to the sum of the state function of the reaction; change in enthalpy is a state function, so it applies here.
 
Ariel Jo said:
Yup! The sum of the state functions of the products minus the sum of the state functions of the reactants is equal to the sum of the state function of the reaction; change in enthalpy is a state function, so it applies here.
So, you're able to do part (c) now, right?

Chet
 
Would it look something like:
ΔH500=ΔHo+(500-298)*___kJ/mol*___mol
for each component of the reaction?
Where ___kJ/mol is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure, and ___mol is the quantity of substance
 
Ariel Jo said:
Would it look something like:
ΔH500=ΔHo+(500-298)*___kJ/mol*___mol
for each component of the reaction?
Where ___kJ/mol is the molar heat capacity at constant pressure, and ___mol is the quantity of substance
yes, but you would have to cool the reactant down to 298 and heat the products back up to 500.
 
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