Calculate coefficients of expansion for vector y

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The discussion revolves around finding the coefficients of expansion for a vector z in a basis formed by vectors v(0), v(1), v(2), and a potential vector v(3). The problem is situated in the context of linear algebra, specifically focusing on orthogonal bases and vector expansion in four-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which v(3) can be determined to maintain orthogonality with the existing vectors. There is discussion about the form of v(3) and the implications of choosing specific values for the parameter t. Questions arise regarding the necessity of t being equal to ±0.5 and the implications for the number of possible solutions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made about the parameter t and its role in forming a complete basis. There is recognition that multiple interpretations of the problem exist, particularly regarding the number of solutions for v(3) and the coefficients of expansion for z. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the coefficients and the choice of t, though no consensus has been reached.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the constraints of the problem, particularly regarding the orthogonality of the vectors and the implications of linear dependence. Participants note that the original poster's assumptions may need reevaluation, especially concerning the values assigned to t.

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Homework Statement



Let v(0) = [0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5]T, v(1) = [0.5 0.5 -0.5 -0.5]T, v(2) = [0.5 -0.5 0.5 -0.5]T, and z = [-0.5 0.5 0.5 1.5]T.

a) How many v(3) can we find to make {v(0), v(1), v(2), v(3)} a fully orthogonal basis?

b) What are z's coefficients of expansion αk in the basis found in part a)?

Homework Equations


See attempt at solution. I thought I had the answers, but according to my online test, they are wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) Row reduction:
0.5a + 0.5b + 0.5c + 0.5d = 0 → a - d = 0
0.5a + 0.5b - 0.5c - 0.5d = 0 → b + d = 0
0.5a - 0.5b + 0.5c - 0.5d = 0 → c + d = 0 so ±a = ±d = ∓b = ∓c.

Then v(3) must take the form [t -t -t t]T. There are two if t = ±0.5, so the answer to a) is 2. (Marked wrong.)

b) I know the answer is asking me to find α0, α1, α2, α3 such that z = [-0.5 0.5 0.5 1.5]T = v(0)α0 + v(1)α1 + v(2)2 + v(3)α3. My notes talk about the change of basis in 2 dimensions but not 4 and I'm having trouble translating the concept to 4D...

I have [x0 x1]T = α0[1 0]T + α1[1 1]T; α0 = x0 - x1 and α1 = x1. So I assumed that I can do row reduction here as well:

z = v(0)α0 + v(1)α1 + v(2)α2 + v(3)α3 using v(3) = [0.5 -0.5 -0.5 0.5]T from part a)

multiply the following {} by 0.5:
{α012 + α3 = -1
α01 - α2 - α3 = 1
α0 - α1 + α2 - α3 = 1
α0 - α1 - α2 + α3 = 3}

getting α0 = 1, α1 = -1, α2 = -1, and α3 = 0. (Marked wrong).

I'm so stuck on this answer that I don't know how to proceed correctly. Any help is appreciated.
 
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a) Why should t be +-0.5?

b) Seems fine to me.
 
For part a, I agree with Orodruin, there seems to be no such restriction on what t should be, other than non-zero.
For part b, your development with the vectors you used was right. I suspect if you get the correct form for part a, you will get the correct solution for b. Try solving for the last coefficient as a function of t, where t represents your constant coefficient on the vector [1,-1,-1,1].
**edit, it would still be zero -- never mind**
 
Orodruin said:
a) Why should t be +-0.5?

Good point. I thought that t would have to have a value of 0.5 if it was to be fully orthogonal with the other three v-vectors. I suppose then that there would be more than two solutions (my options were 0, 1, 2, >2). Which makes solving for the variables in b easier as I have more vectors to choose from to plug into the problem.

Thanks! At least I have the technique down so I'm satisfied. Now to earn the exam points...
 
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RUber said:
For part a, I agree with Orodruin, there seems to be no such restriction on what t should be, other than non-zero.
For part b, your development with the vectors you used was right. I suspect if you get the correct form for part a, you will get the correct solution for b. Try solving for the last coefficient as a function of t, where t represents your constant coefficient on the vector [1,-1,-1,1].
**edit, it would still be zero -- never mind**

a) I thought that t would have to have a value of 0.5 if it was to be fully orthogonal with the other three v-vectors. But I suppose that defeats the purpose of being able to transform the vectors in the first place. The options I had for this problem were 0, 1, 2, and >2, so there would be more than two solutions for v(3).

b) With part a) in mind, I guess there would be more than just one variable instead of just one t. At least I used the correct method for this problem. If t is nonzero, though, I don't understand why t = 0.5 wouldn't work. As for your solving for an f(t) instead of a constant t, I guess over the entire signal it would sum to zero. Don't quote me on that though!
 
nacreous said:
I thought that t would have to have a value of 0.5 if it was to be fully orthogonal with the other three v-vectors.
Orthogonality does not depend on the vector normalisation.

nacreous said:
If t is nonzero, though, I don't understand why t = 0.5 wouldn't work.
##t## has to be non-zero. Otherwise it is linearly dependent on the other vectors and does not form a complete basis. ##t = 0.5## works perfectly well.
 

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