Calculate the equivalent resistance in the Figure

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The discussion revolves around calculating the equivalent resistance in a circuit with multiple resistors, focusing on identifying which resistors are in series and which are in parallel. Participants are analyzing a diagram that includes several resistors and are attempting to clarify their connections.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are trying to identify resistors in parallel and series, questioning the arrangement of resistors based on a provided diagram. There are discussions about simplifying the circuit and the implications of a diagonal line in the diagram.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering insights and corrections regarding the connections between resistors. There is a focus on understanding the configuration of resistors, particularly in relation to series and parallel arrangements. Some participants express confusion, while others provide clarifications that guide the discussion forward.

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There is mention of a potential short circuit due to a diagonal connection affecting one of the resistors, which raises questions about the overall resistance in the circuit. Participants are also navigating the complexity of the diagram and the number of resistors involved.

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/ 3. The Attempt at a Solution
Here is my attempt from the homework assignment. It doesn't appear that I got any points for this question and was hoping to get a little help in correcting my issues or pointed in the right direction to start over. [/B]
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Can you spot the resistors in parallel? Parallel resistors will have their ends connected between the same two points.

The red diagram is the correct one. Is that the provided answer?
 
I'm not sure what the correct answer is. I'm also confused in my TA's diagram why it has 4 resistors?
There only 2 resistors that are in parallel, right?
 
Kelsi_Jade said:
There only 2 resistors that are in parallel, right?
No.
There is one more. Look carefully.
 
OK, thinking out loud here:
It looks like he was simplifying the circuit?
I can see that we should be able to combine resistors to make an easier diagram (which is how we go from 5 Resistors to 4 Resistors in the red). I'm a little confused on the orientation and how we have 3 Resis. in parallel.

I doodled it out but I can't see how it is simplified to make 3 resis. in parallel instead of the 2 obvious resistors.
Why isn't R5 in series with the R2 and R3,4 combination now?
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Kelsi_Jade said:
in parallel instead of the 2 obvious resistors.
How is R3 connected to R4? Check their ends.
 
They're connected in series, so can't you add them together and make it equivalent to a resistor with a sum of their resistances?
eg. R3,4=R3 + R4
and then this new resistor is in series with R1?
 
Kelsi_Jade said:
They're connected in series
No. Check their ends. Aren't they connected between the "same" two points?
 
Is it because of the diagonal line, does that indicate that the first end point of R3 is the same end as the first end point of R4?
 
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Kelsi_Jade said:
Is it because of the diagonal line, does that indicate that the first end point of R3 is the same end as the first end point of R4?
Exactly!
 
  • #11
Sweet!
OK, so now I have the diagram looking like the figure below, but where does the R5 fit in? It's in series with R2, R3, and R4 also, right?
So, is it R1 and R5 that can be combined in series like I said before?
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  • #12
Kelsi_Jade said:
Sweet!
OK, so now I have the diagram looking like the figure below, but where does the R5 fit in? It's in series with R2, R3, and R4 also, right?
So, is it R1 and R5 that can be combined in series like I said before?
View attachment 115123
R2 is not in parallel with R3 and R4. In fact, you'll see something interesting about R2.

Which three are in parallel?
 
  • #13
R1 is in series with R2 which is in series with R5, right?
 
  • #14
Kelsi_Jade said:
R1 is in series with R2 which is in series with R5, right?
No.

Which three are in parallel?

What does the diagonal wire do to R2?
 
  • #15
The diagonal would cause a short circuit so there would be no resistance through R2
because the current would go through the path of least resistance, the diagonal wire
 
  • #16
Kelsi_Jade said:
The diagonal would cause a short circuit so there would be no resistance through R2
because the current would go through the path of least resistance, the diagonal wire
Right.
Which three are in parallel?

I believe you'll be able to find the equivalent resistance now.
 
  • #17
Oh gosh, Then R1, R3, and R4 are the parallel resistors
Then, 1/Rtot=1/R1 + 1/R3 + 1/R4
 
  • #18
Kelsi_Jade said:
Oh gosh, Then R1, R3, and R4 are the parallel resistors
Then, 1/Rtot=1/R1 + 1/R3 + 1/R4
No.
(And that leaves only one combination:biggrin:.)

Check the ends of the resistors. If they are connected between the same two points, they are in parallel.
 
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Oooh so would the points work out equivalently like this?
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  • #20
Kelsi_Jade said:
Oooh so would the points work out equivalently like this?
View attachment 115124
There you go!
 
  • #21
FINALLY! Thanks for all of your help (and patience).
 
  • #22
Kelsi_Jade said:
FINALLY! Thanks for all of your help (and patience).
You're welcome!
 

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