Calculate the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton

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To calculate the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton to 0.9999c, the rest energy is first determined using E=mc², yielding approximately 1.503x10^-10 J. The kinetic energy is calculated using the formula Ek=mc²/√(1-v²/c²), resulting in about 1x10^-8 J. This indicates that the kinetic energy is significantly higher than the rest energy, with discussions suggesting it could be around 70 times the rest energy. The ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy is clarified as KE/m₀c² = (1/√(1-v²/c²)) - 1, which helps in understanding the energy dynamics at relativistic speeds. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly calculating and interpreting these energy values.
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Homework Statement



Calculate the kinetic energy required to accelerate a proton from a rest position to 0.9999c. The mass of the proton is 1.67x10-27

Find the ratio of kinetic energy to the energy of a proton at rest

Homework Equations



Erest = mc2
Ek = mc2/√(1-v2/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok So calculating the rest energy is easy

E= (1.67x10-27)(3x108)2
E= 1.503x10-10

Ekinetic= mc2/√(1-v2/c2)
=((1.67x10-27)(3x108)2)/√(1-0.9999c2/c2)
=1.503x10-10/√(1-0.9998)
= 1.503x10-10/ 0.0141418
= 1x10 -8 J

This doesn't seem like a lot of energy to accelerate something to almost light speed I feel like I am missing something...even when using Etotal =Erest+EK I get 1x10-8 J

can someone point out my mistake?

Ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy is

1.503x10-10 / 1x10-8
= 1.503 % of the energy is kinetic energy ? ( really unsure about this) Thanks! Happy monday !
 
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HarleyM said:
Ratio of kinetic energy to rest energy is

1.503x10-10 / 1x10-8
= 1.503 % of the energy is kinetic energy ? ( really unsure about this)

I think you got that backwards
 
JaWiB said:
I think you got that backwards

98.5 % of the energy is kinetic energy then?
 
HarleyM said:
ERest= (1.67x10-27)(3x108)2
ERest= 1.503x10-10

EMoving= mc2/√(1-v2/c2)
=((1.67x10-27)(3x108)2)/√(1-0.9999c2/c2)
=1.503x10-10/√(1-0.9998)
= 1.503x10-10/ 0.0141418
= 1x10 -8 J

Your kinetic energy requires will be E when moving - E when at rest !

So it will be 10-8 - 1.503*10-10 = 9.85 * 10-9
 
v=0.9999c. 1-v^2/c^2 =1-0.9999^2. It is better to expand it as (1-0.9999)(1+0.9999) = 1.9999 E-4.

mc^2=\frac{100 m_0c^2}{\sqrt{1.9999}}

KE=mc2-m0c2, about 70 times the rest energy.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
v=0.9999c. 1-v^2/c^2 =1-0.9999^2. It is better to expand it as (1-0.9999)(1+0.9999) = 1.9999 E-4.

mc^2=\frac{100 m_0c^2}{\sqrt{1.9999}}

KE=mc2-m0c2, about 70 times the rest energy.

ehild

I can get an answer of about 66 times the rest energy, can you explain this formula a little more?

What is M0 and by subtracting the kinetic from rest energy it gives you the ratio?
 
Usually the rest mass is denoted by m0 and the mass of the moving particle is m.

The kinetic energy is the difference between the energy of the moving particle and energy of the particle in rest.

KE=mc^2 - m{_0} c^2=\frac{m{_0} c^2}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-m{_0} c^2=m{_0} c^2 (\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1)

The ratio of the kinetic energy to the energy in rest is

\frac{KE}{m{_0} c^2} =\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}-1

You might have got different result from mine because of the rounding errors.

ehild
 
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