Calculate the temperature of neutrons emerging from a reactor

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The problem involves calculating the temperature of a moderator in a nuclear reactor based on the speed distribution of thermal neutrons detected in specific velocity ranges. The discussion centers around the relationship between neutron speeds and their corresponding thermal energy, with a focus on the mathematical representation of the speed distribution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the speed distribution formula and its components, questioning the correct factors to use. There is exploration of the implications of the speed ranges provided and how they relate to the temperature calculation. Some participants raise questions about the interpretation of notation and the dimensionality of variables involved.

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The discussion is active with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the mathematical expressions used. There is a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings about the speed distribution and its application to the problem. Some participants suggest approximations to simplify calculations, while others point out potential errors in the setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the intervals of speed considered are relatively small compared to the larger speeds involved, which may influence the accuracy of approximations. There is also mention of a potential typo in the relationship between variables that could affect the final temperature calculation.

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Homework Statement


A collimated beam of thermal neutrons emerges from a nuclear reactor and passes through a speed selector into a detector. The number of neutrons detected in a second with speeds in the range 4000 to 4010 m s−1 is twice as large as the number per second detected with speeds in the range 2000 to 2010ms−1. What is the temperature of the moderator in the nuclear reactor?

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So the speed distribution is proportional to ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}^2}}## so my instinct was to write ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}^2}}|_{4000}^{4010}=2v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}^2}}|_{2000}^{2010}## but then i don't know how to solve this.

Many thanks
 
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Physgeek64 said:
So the speed distribution is proportional to ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}}}## so my instinct was to write ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}}}|_{4000}^{4010}=2v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}}}|_{2000}^{2010}##

The speed distribution should have a factor of ##v^2## instead of ##v^3##. However, the rate at which neutrons strike the detector would have the factor of ##v^3##.

What does ##v_{th}## represent? If it has dimensions of speed, then note that the argument of your exponential function is not dimensionless.

Can you explain the notation ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}}}|_{4000}^{4010}## as regards the interpretation of ##|_{4000}^{4010}## ?
 
TSny said:
The speed distribution should have a factor of ##v^2## instead of ##v^3##. However, the rate at which neutrons strike the detector would have the factor of ##v^3##.

What does ##v_{th}## represent? If it has dimensions of speed, then note that the argument of your exponential function is not dimensionless.

Can you explain the notation ##v^3e^{-\frac{v^2}{v_{th}}}|_{4000}^{4010}## as regards the interpretation of ##|_{4000}^{4010}## ?
Sorry that is meant to be ##v_{th}^2## I have missed of the ##^2##. That notation is meant to be putting in limits from 4000 to 4010
 
Physgeek64 said:
That notation is meant to be putting in limits from 4000 to 4010
Limits of an integration? Did you perform an integration?
 
TSny said:
Limits of an integration? Did you perform an integration?
no, but i probably should have!
 
Yes. However, an interval of 10 m/s is quite small compared to 2000 m/s or 4000 m/s. So, you can get a decent answer by considering the integrand as constant over the interval of 10 m/s.
 
TSny said:
Yes. However, an interval of 10 m/s is quite small compared to 2000 m/s or 4000 m/s. So, you can get a decent answer by considering the integrand as constant over the interval of 10 m/s.
So can we approximate this as ##(4000)^3e^{-\frac{4000}{v_{th}^2}}\int_{4000}^{4010}{dv}=2(2000)^3e^{-\frac{2000}{v_{th}^2}}\int_{2000}^{2010}{dv}## ?

##T=\frac{m}{K_B}\Big(\frac{4000^2-2000^2}{\ln{\frac{4000^3}{2(2000^3)}}}\Big)^2##
 
Physgeek64 said:
So can we approximate this as ##(4000)^3e^{-\frac{4000}{v_{th}^2}}\int_{4000}^{4010}{dv}=2(2000)^3e^{-\frac{2000}{v_{th}^2}}\int_{2000}^{2010}{dv}## ?

##T=\frac{m}{K_B}\Big(\frac{4000^2-2000^2}{\ln{\frac{4000^3}{2(2000^3)}}}\Big)^2##
Looks good. But did you drop a factor of 2 in the relation between ##v_{th}^2## and ##T##?
 
TSny said:
Looks good. But did you drop a factor of 2 in the relation between of ##v_{th}^2## and ##T##?
I did- was a typo though. Thank you for your help! Very much appreciated
 

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