Calculating Coefficient of Friction with Practical Investigation Results

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The discussion revolves around calculating the coefficient of friction based on results from a practical investigation involving launching a puck using an elastic band on different surfaces. Participants explore the methodology for determining the coefficient of friction, including considerations of static and dynamic friction, and the calibration of the elastic band.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a practical investigation using an elastic band to launch a puck and seeks guidance on calculating the coefficient of friction.
  • Another participant notes the existence of two coefficients of friction: static and dynamic, and questions whether the rubber band was calibrated and if its behavior is linear.
  • A participant confirms the linearity of the rubber band.
  • One participant mentions the need to calibrate the elastic band to obtain the spring constant (k) and suggests that all elastic energy should be transferred to kinetic energy of the puck for calculations.
  • Another participant presents a more compact equation relating the elastic energy of the band to the work done against friction.
  • A later reply suggests using an inclined plane to find static friction and dynamic friction, emphasizing the variability of the rubber band’s spring constant over different extensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and considerations for calculating the coefficient of friction, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed procedures or the calibration of the elastic band. Multiple competing views on the methodology remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about energy transfer and the behavior of the elastic band under different extensions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in experimental physics, particularly those exploring friction and energy transfer in practical investigations.

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So I've done a practical investigation.
Pretty much I used a elastic band to launch a puck on a horizontal floor. I have measured the extension and force for the elastic band, and the extension and stopping distance for the puck on two different surfaces.
How do I calculate the coefficient of friction?
thanks.
 
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Adem said:
How do I calculate the coefficient of friction?
Actually, there may be two of those: one as long as it's not moving and one if it is (the latter is usually smaller).
Did you calibrate your rubber band ? Is it a bit linear (like an ideal spring: extension = k ##\times## force) ?

Are you familiar with friction coefficient formulas like ##F_{\rm friction} = \mu F_{\rm normal} = \mu\, mg ## ?
 
Yeah, it's linear.
 
I have a force vs ext for the band, but don't have the force applied when I used it for the puck being launched.
 
You must calibrate the band for obtain k.

Then you need to suposse that all elastic energy of the band is transferred to the puck in the form of kinetic energy. Then: $$\frac 1 2 k·x^2= \frac 1 2 m·v_0^2$$

Then you can calculate the aceleration $$0=v_0^2+2·a·distance$$

During the mouvement there are only friction force, then: $$\mu·m·g=m·a$$
(mass cancel)
I don't know if there are some wrong in this procedure, please say me if this procedure is not correct. Sorry for my English.
 
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Even in a moore compact way: Eband=Wfriction $$\frac 1 2 k·x^2=\mu·m·g·distance$$
 
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Thanks guys!
 
Static friction can be easily found with an inclined plane. (you can look this up) With a bit of care, you can also use an inclined plane to find the limiting slope that will keep the puck moving when nudged, which will give you the dynamic friction. (Good as a cross check if nothing else.)

The k of a rubber band can vary a lot over the full range of extensions. You tend to get a very S shaped curve so you need to operate over a range of expansions that doesn't involve the section where the band goes 'stiff' if you want an accurate value of the Kinetic Energy that it gives the puck. With a bit of care, you can also make sure that the band is not operating with low extension. (A restraining loop of thread, for instance).
 
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