Calculating Force on Particle in Spring Setup

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Homework Statement


A particle is attached between two identical springs on a
horizontal frictionless table. Both springs have spring
constant k and are initially unstressed. (a) If the particle
is pulled a distance x along a direction perpendicular to
the initial configuration of the springs, as in Figure
P7.66, show that the force exerted on the particle by the
springs is:
F = -2kx(1 - x/(sqrt[x^2 + L^2])

I've attached a printed screen that includes Figure P7.66.

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So I know new stretched length is sqrt(x^2 + L^2), forces in y direction cancell, x is multiplied by 2.
New stretched length is L' = sqrt(x^2 + L^2) - L.
F = -kx = -2k[sqrt(x^2 + L^2) - L].
Now here's where I get stuck. It seems like to get the right answer, I need to multiply this by a factor of x/sqrt(x^2 + L^2)...why?
Thanks,
Ari
 

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Until now, you have done a good job.

Now, look at the solution. The result is a vector force. It's a component of a red force in my photo, i.e. that is a horizontal component of a spring force.
 

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Alright, I understand that it's only a horizontal component that survives, so is this x/sqrt(x^2 + L^2) like a unit vector thing (vector/length)? If so, what context of the question tells you "oh, I should replace this unit vector with vector/length, instead of keeping it as is..". If this is not a unit vector thing still not sure where this extra term is coming from.
 
F = -kx = -k[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L]--->Force of one spring

[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex]-->stretched length of a spring

[itex]\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex]--->cosine between x and stretched length

-k[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L] * [itex]\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex] i.e.

-kx[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L] * [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex] --->force of one spring
 
Ahh, of course. I figured just slapping an i hat on was sufficient. I should have realized it was still involving both x and y until a cosine is taken. Thanks a lot method_man.