Calculating Magnetic Field Around Window Frame

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field around a window frame due to two wires carrying different currents. The problem requires finding the closed integral of the magnetic field vector B dotted with the differential length vector dl around the frame. Participants express confusion about the meaning of the line integral and how it relates to the magnetic fields generated by the wires. Ampere's law is suggested as a relevant approach, leading to a calculation involving the total current and dimensions of the window. The final concern is understanding the significance of the line integral and its connection to the calculated magnetic field.
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Homework Statement


Sounds like the beginning to a bad joke right?

Two long straight wires pass through a window frame (1m x 1.5m). One wire carries 1A out of the room and one wire carries 8A in. Find magnitude of closed integral of vector B * vector dl around window frame.
Answer in Tesla*m

Homework Equations



B= mu*I / 2pi*r

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know what the question is asking: What is this integral with a circle in it of the dot product of the B field and dl?

The wires have magnetic fields, they induce current through the window frame, which then has its own magnetic field. Is this what the questino is asking or does it want the field along the length of the edge if this frame?

thanks for reading
 
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miggitymark said:

Homework Statement


Sounds like the beginning to a bad joke right?

Two long straight wires pass through a window frame (1m x 1.5m). One wire carries 1A out of the room and one wire carries 8A in. Find magnitude of closed integral of vector B * vector dl around window frame.
Answer in Tesla*m

Homework Equations


B= mu*I / 2pi*r

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know what the question is asking: What is this integral with a circle in it of the dot product of the B field and dl?

The wires have magnetic fields, they induce current through the window frame, which then has its own magnetic field. Is this what the questino is asking or does it want the field along the length of the edge if this frame?

thanks for reading

I think you are talking about the line integral about a closed path, which is represented as the integral symbol with an "o" in the middle.

As to the problem I think you want to be considering Ampere's law:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/magnetic/amplaw.html
 
YES! the line integral, which I have no idea what that is so I'm looking it up.

So using Ampere's law (which relates much better to this problem) I set up:

The window is 1.5m wide (X) and 1m tall (Y) and I is 7 Amps

B= 7*mu / 2X+2Y which equals 7mu / 5

So B = approximately 1.759e-6

Now, what is the "magnitude of the line integral of B*dl" and what does that mean? and more importantly, how does it relate to the answer I got?

Dimensional analysis tells me that Tesla-meters/Amps * Amps divided by meters (perimeter of window frame) comes out to Tesla-meters which is what they want, but the concepts of line integrals and dot products and vectors is unknown to me so the answer doesn't seem right.
 
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