Calculating Power and Force in Cycling: Solving for Force in the Equation P=Fv

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between power, force, and velocity in cycling, specifically using the equation P=Fv and its variations. The user attempts to connect Pave^2 to Pftp and expresses confusion about how to define force, as it includes both air resistance and the cyclist's effort. They consider the scenario of constant speed, questioning how to determine net force under this condition. Ultimately, they conclude that the force exerted by the cyclist can be equated to the air resistance when acceleration is zero, leading to the equation F = -bv^2. This highlights the complexity of calculating force in cycling dynamics.
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Professional cyclists typically travel at 40 km/h during races. Air resistance produces a force on a cyclist that obeys a law~F(v) =−bv^2 opposite the direction of motion and proportional the speed squared. The coefficient b differs from person to person. The average power Pave that a well-trained cyclist can maintain for Nh hours is roughly Pave^2= 3(Pftp^2)/Nh, where Pftp is the maximum power she can produce without lactic acid accumulation. Solve for the average speed the cyclist can maintain in terms of Pftp and the distance of the race.
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P=Fv
OK, so I tried to relate the equation P=Fv to the given equation that Pave^2= 3(Pftp^2)/Nh. I put Nh in terms of distance to satisfy the requirement that the answer should be in terms of Pftp and distance by saying Nh = distance/Vave. I also substituted Pave with Fvage.
(FVage)^2 = 3(P^2ftp)Vave/d ---> Vave = 3(^2Pftp)/Fd

My problem is I don't know what to substitute force with. The force is not only the -bv^2 from air resistance, it is also the force applied by the cyclist. With this, how would I find force?
 
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oisdas said:
The force is not only the -bv^2 from air resistance, it is also the force applied by the cyclist.
Taking the speed as constant, what is the net force?
 
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haruspex said:
Taking the speed as constant, what is the net force?
If speed was constant, the net force would just be from air resistance. However, how would I assume that speed is constant?
 
oisdas said:
how would I assume that speed is constant?
Because if it varies significantly you do not have enough information.
 
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haruspex said:
Because if it varies significantly you do not have enough information.
I see, thank you! With this, I will set the force the bicyclist is applying = Fair since a=0 and get F= -bv^2.
 
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