Calculating resistances via a potentiometer

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The discussion centers on calculating an unknown resistance (X) using a potentiometer circuit, where the balance points for a standard resistor (R = 10 ohms) and the unknown resistance are given as 58.3 cm and 68.5 cm, respectively. The participants analyze the relationship between the lengths and resistances using the equation R/X = L1/L2, but encounter confusion regarding the potential differences (E1 and E2) when different currents (I1 and I2) are connected. The conclusion drawn is that the electromotive force (ε) does not originate from an ideal voltage source, leading to discrepancies in the expected values.

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Homework Statement


Figure shows a potentiometer circuit for comparison of two resistances , the balance point with standard resistor R = 10 ohm , is found to be 58.3 , while that with unknown resistance X is 68.5 cm , determine the value of X .
b) what might you do if you failed to find the balance point with the given cell end e?
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Homework Equations


R/X = L1/L2
K = potential gradient across AB
I1 = current when R is connected
I2 = current when X is connected
3.attempt at a solution
I understand that the potential difference across AP = EF
I.e. k×58.3= I1 × R , where I is the current when R is connected to circuit
And I1×R = E - (2)
Also when X is connected and R is removed ,
k× 68.5 = I2 × X
Also I2 × X = E ... - (1)
But then that means that from 1 and 2 , k × 58.3 = k× 68.5 ? That's obviously wrong!
I don't get it ... I guess somehow I1 × R = E1 and I2× X = E2 with E1 is not equal to E2... If I do that answer comes rightly ...
But shouldn't E1 = E2 as ,
potential difference across EF = potential difference across LM = E always ??

Thank you!
 

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Shivang kohlii said:
from 1 and 2 , k × 58.3 = k× 68.5 ? That's obviously wrong!
Pity you use E in the picture and in the equations -- with different meaning.
Only possible conclusion, my dear Watson, is that E in case of I1 is not equal to the E in case I2. In other words: ##\varepsilon## doesn't come from an ideal voltage source.
Shivang kohlii said:
But shouldn't E1 = E2 as ,
potential difference across EF = potential difference across LM = E always ??
Apparently not !
 
BvU said:
Pity you use E in the picture and in the equations -- with different meaning.
Only possible conclusion, my dear Watson, is that E in case of I1 is not equal to the E in case I2. In other words: ##\varepsilon## doesn't come from an ideal voltage source.
Apparently not !
I didn't ask for your pity mister , only solution.. also don't presume I didn't consider the non ideal voltage source with some internal resistance , I didn't add it to my answer as the question doesn't mention any internal resistance .. which is odd for the 12th level book!
 
Shivang kohlii said:
I didn't ask for your pity mister
I didn't offer it, on the contrary: it was an ironic reproach, intended to gently steer you in a direction that avoids future errors caused by this kind of sloppiness.

What I offered was the only explanation I could come up with. I have seen this circuit before in PF, you're welcome to search for it.
12th level sounds like a computer game. Guess it's an age indication in your culture, like around 18 ?
 
Sorry, you have to be using that textbook. The schematic given is non-standard (according to what I'm used to, anyway) and vague when combined with the problem statement. For example, what currents are being measured? "unknown resistance X is 68.5 cm" requires further explanation, I don't know what this means.
Problem solutions are frequently an exercise in describing the question carefully so that the answer becomes more readily apparent. I would suggest redrawing/rephrasing this more carefully either for your own understanding, or for ours. You will get better assistance that way.
 

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