Calculating the work done during an isothermal expansion using integration

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done during an isothermal expansion of a gas using integration. The work is expressed as W = ∫V2V1 P dV, leading to the conclusion that W = nRT ln(V2/V1) for n moles of gas at temperature T. Participants clarify that pressure is not constant during the expansion, as it varies with volume according to the ideal gas law. The integration of pressure with respect to volume is necessary to accurately determine the work done. Understanding the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature is crucial for solving this problem correctly.
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Homework Statement


In calculus, the work done when a gas expands from volume V1 to volume V2 is given by
W = ∫V2V1 P dV
Use this expression to show that the work done by n moles of gas at temperature T during an isothermal expansion from volume V1 to V2 is
W = nRT ln(V2/V1)


Homework Equations


Q = ΔU + W
PV = nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


W = [VP]V2V1 = PV2 - PV1 = PΔV
But I think it should be ΔPΔV since this is an isothermal expansion. W = PΔV is for isobaric since P is constant.
Then I can't even guess where the ln comes from. :frown:
 
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You got P as a constant because you treated it like one when you took the integral.

But if you look at the ideal gas law you can see that pressure is a function of volume. So then you can put that expression into the integral and n, R, and T are constants, then integrate.
 
Hey,

Unfortunately You have got it wrong.


See work is defined as
dW =PdV , where P is external pressure and V is small volume change.

This comes from the fact that dW=Force * displacement

dW=(External)Pressure*Area*displacement

However area * displacement is change in volume so
dW=PdV

You have to integrate this expresion to get the value of work.

Now in isothermal reversible conditions , you have to find work done by system which is a GAS
In such cases pressure external =pressure of the gas.

Remember, Ideal gas Equation.?

How will you integrate PdV now with T being constant.
 
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