Calculating Volume of Fluid Flowing in Pipe

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The discussion revolves around estimating the volume of fluid flowing through a pipe over a specified time interval using measured flow rates. Participants explore the choice of measurement times and the application of numerical integration methods to estimate the volume based on these measurements.

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  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to measure the instantaneous flow rate at three specific times, ##t_1, t_2, t_3##, to estimate the volume of fluid, ##V = \int_{10}^{14} \text{flow}(t) \space dt##.
  • Some participants suggest measuring at the endpoints and a midpoint, such as ##t = 10 s, 12 s, 14 s##, while others question if this is the optimal choice.
  • One participant proposes using Simpson's Rule for numerical integration, suggesting it may yield a more accurate estimate than the trapezoidal rule.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether their proposed method is the best estimate, indicating a lack of consensus on the optimal approach.
  • There is mention of the relationship between flow rate and volume, with some participants clarifying the notation used to represent flow rate as ##Q(t) = \frac{dV}{dt}##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to measure flow at three points but disagree on the optimal times for measurement and the best numerical integration method to use. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for estimating the volume.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the restriction to only three measurements and the potential impact of measurement timing on the accuracy of the volume estimate. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the choice of numerical integration method.

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Homework Statement



A fluid flows through a pipe. The flow varies with time. We want to estimate the volume of fluid (##V##, in ##L##) that passes through the pipe between time ##t = 10 s## and ##t = 14 s## (i.e. we want to integrate the flow between these times).

The available instrumentation allows us to measure the instantaneous flow rate (in ##L/s##) at any three times of our choosing. We might, for example, decide to measure the flow at ##t = 10 s##, ##t = 12 s##, and ##t = 14 s##. At what three times ##t_1, t_2, t_3## would you choose to measure the flow? Keep in mind that we want to produce the best possible estimate.

Now assume the results of the measurements are ##M(t_1)##, ##M(t_2)##, and ##M(t_3)## in ##L/s##. Give an expression for the volume of fluid that passes through the pipe in the period of interest.

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So we want to estimate ##V = \int_{10}^{14} \text{flow}(t) \space dt##.

I think the times ##t_1, t_2, t_3## that have been mentioned in the problem are appropriate, but it obviously can't be that easy right? I can't really see how to break up the interval any better than that.

Then I would want to measure ##\frac{d \text{flow}}{dt}## at ##t_1, t_2, t_3## and call those ##M(t_1)##, ##M(t_2)##, and ##M(t_3)##.
 
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Zondrina said:

Homework Statement



A fluid flows through a pipe. The flow varies with time. We want to estimate the volume of fluid (##V##, in ##L##) that passes through the pipe between time ##t = 10 s## and ##t = 14 s## (i.e. we want to integrate the flow between these times).

The available instrumentation allows us to measure the instantaneous flow rate (in ##L/s##) at any three times of our choosing. We might, for example, decide to measure the flow at ##t = 10 s##, ##t = 12 s##, and ##t = 14 s##. At what three times ##t_1, t_2, t_3## would you choose to measure the flow? Keep in mind that we want to produce the best possible estimate.

Now assume the results of the measurements are ##M(t_1)##, ##M(t_2)##, and ##M(t_3)## in ##L/s##. Give an expression for the volume of fluid that passes through the pipe in the period of interest.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



So we want to estimate ##V = \int_{10}^{14} \text{flow}(t) \space dt##.

I think the times ##t_1, t_2, t_3## that have been mentioned in the problem are appropriate, but it obviously can't be that easy right? I can't really see how to break up the interval any better than that.

Then I would want to measure ##\frac{d \text{flow}}{dt}## at ##t_1, t_2, t_3## and call those ##M(t_1)##, ##M(t_2)##, and ##M(t_3)##.

Unless you are restricted from measuring the flow at all three times, more measurements = better results. If you can provide measurement at equally spaced time intervals, the total flow over the time interval can be computed by applying Simpson's Rule or some other numerical integration method.
 
Only three points are allowed I believe.

After doing some research I found my symbolism to be a bit off. So we want ##V = \int_{10}^{14} Q(t) \space dt##, where ##Q(t) = \frac{dV}{dt}## is the flow rate.

So if we measure ##\frac{dV}{dt}## (aka ##Q(t)##) at the three times mentioned in the problem statement, we obtain ##Q(10) = M(10), Q(12) = M(12), Q(14) = M(14)##. These are the ##y## values in this case.

So an expression for the volume of fluid is given by:

$$V = \int_{10}^{14} Q(t) \space dt = \frac{2}{3} \left[ M(10) + 4M(12) + M(14) \right]$$

Using Simpson's 1/3 rule with ##h = 2##. Alternatively:

$$V = \int_{10}^{14} Q(t) \space dt = \left[ M(10) + 2M(12) + M(14) \right]$$

Using composite trapezoidal integration with ##h = 2##.

I am unsure this is the best estimate, but for now it seems like it might be.
 
The simpson's rule will probably give you a more accurate result than the trapezoidal rule. With only three points, it's rather easy to check the flow with both.
 

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