Calculating volume required for a pressure value ( for duct design)

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The discussion focuses on calculating duct sizes and fan flow rates to maintain a minimum pressure of 12 psi in a duct system. The user is attempting to calculate the volume of a rectangular duct using the ideal gas law but is unsure of the 'n' value for air. They have assumed the flow to be laminar, incompressible, and inviscid for simplification and plan to optimize the design later using CFD. A suggestion is made to refer to SAE AIR1168-1 for relevant guidance on the design process. The conversation emphasizes the need for accurate calculations to ensure proper duct performance.
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I am calculating sizes of duct ( section1= constant area pipe, section2= transition to a rectangular cross section , section3= constant rectangular cross section upto 0.5m, section4= similar to section3, section5= similar to section1) and fan flow rate for a given pressure(minimum of 12 psi at section4) which is required to be maintained. for which I have started calculating from section4 and working through to the inlet by adding losses and pressure changes( bernoullis principle) and finally obtaining volume flow rate required.

I am stuck at calculating volume of section4 from ideal gas (PV=nRT)for the given pressure as I do not know 'n' value for air. Also I have considered fluid to be inviscid, incompressible and the flow regime to be laminar for simplifcation.

Can some body help me with this?
 
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If you have the velocity (guessing obtained from Bernoulli's equation) and the area, then
Q = AV
 
Hi,

Thanks for your initiation, but I guess you havn't understood my question,
To start calculations, I am working from rectangular section of the duct where there is a minimum pressure requirment of 12psi is nessecary. But to start calculations assuming the pressure to be 12psi gauge ( static+dynmic pressure) and without having duct sizes(which has to be calculated), i need to evaluate volume of the rectangular duct from ideal gas law (PxV= nxRxT)for a static pressure of maximum 12psi. After which velocities and flow rates can be calculated for each sucessive duct sections from bernoullis and continuty eq.

But I need to know number of moles i.e. 'n' value for air at STP or appropriate conditions.

And as I have previously specified I have assumed Flow to be laminar, incompressible and inviscid for simplification and I will later optimize this design through CFD solver.

Thanks again
Kiran
 
I would highly recommend that you get a copy of SAE AIR1168-1, specifically sections 1A and 1B. It is very applicable to what you are designing for.
 
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