Calculation of average molecular speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the calculation of average molecular speed using a specific formula. Participants explore the application of the formula, the input values, and the importance of unit consistency in calculations related to molecular speed in the context of gas laws.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating average molecular speed and shares specific values for pressure, volume, number of moles, and molar mass, but indicates that the result is incorrect.
  • Another participant questions the initial poster's approach, suggesting a lack of clarity in their calculations and the absence of the final answer.
  • Concerns about unit consistency are raised, with a suggestion to convert all values to SI units to avoid errors.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of not mixing units from different systems (e.g., atm, L, kg) when applying the formula.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the formula's derivation and the relationship between pressure, volume, and molecular speed, including references to the ideal gas law and Avogadro's number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of using consistent units in calculations, but there is no consensus on the specific errors made in the initial calculation or the correct application of the formula.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the need for clarity in unit usage and the implications of using different unit systems, but do not resolve the specific calculation error presented by the initial poster.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in gas laws, molecular speed calculations, and the importance of unit consistency in scientific computations.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the average speed of 2 mol oxygen molecules at pi*10bar pressure occupying 8 litres volume.
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We can calculate the average speed using this formula: uavg=root(8PV/ΠnM)
I plugged in the following values:
P= pi*10 atm (bar is approximately equal to atm)
V=8lts
n=2mol
M=32*10^-3kg/mol
But it is giving wrong answer. Can you tell me what went wrong?
 
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Is this a joke or do you just want someone to do your homework for you? You ask "what went wrong" but don't show what you did nor what answer you got!
 
Units?
 
@HallsofIvy Actually I am pretty sure that I plugged in values having wrong units, that's why I just showed the values and what formula I am using. I just wanted to know what units are to be used in the formula.
 
@mjc123 Yeah probably. Can you tell me what units should I use?
 
Consistent ones. I would convert everything to SI units.

The one thing you must never do is blindly plug numbers into a formula without consideration of units, e.g. mixing atm, L, kg etc. (some SI and some not).
 
Suggest you use SI units. The pressure ## P ## needs to be in ## Newton/m^2 ##. ## \\ ## The formula you have comes from ## \bar{v}=\sqrt{\frac{8 k_bT}{\pi m}} ##, where ## m ## is the mass of the molecule or atom. ##\\ ## Meanwhile, with the ideal gas law ## PV=n R T=N k_b T ##, where ## N=## number of molecules, so that ## N=n N_A ## where ## n =## number of moles, and ## N_A=## Avagadro's number, we can write ## \bar{v}=\sqrt{\frac{8 PV}{\pi n M}} ##, where ## M=m N_A ##, is the mass of a mole of atoms or molecules.
 
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