Can Single, Double, and Triple Integrals Vary in Variable Count?

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The discussion revolves around the use of single, double, and triple integrals in relation to multi-variable functions and equations. Participants explore whether integrals must correspond to the number of variables involved, questioning the definitions and applications of these mathematical concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants attempt to clarify the terminology around "solving" versus "evaluating" integrals, and the distinction between functions and equations. Others suggest that while single integrals can be evaluated in multi-variable contexts, the results may not be meaningful. The potential for using double and triple integrals to represent areas and volumes is also discussed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the nature of integrals and their applications. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the evaluation of integrals and the relationships between functions and equations.

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Participants note that the textbook examples do not include certain forms of integrals, leading to questions about their validity and usage. There is also mention of specific integrals that cannot be evaluated in traditional ways, prompting further exploration of alternative methods.

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Homework Statement


Can a single integral be used to solve a multi-variable equation, and can a triple integral be used to find the area under an y = f(x) curve?

What I'm getting at is whether or not single, double and triple integrals must be integrated with respect to their corresponding number of variables. My textbook shows single ##\int f(x) dx ##, double ##\int \int f(x,y) dy dx ## and triple ## \int \int \int f(x, y, z) dy dx dz ## but it never shows ##\int f(x,y)## nor ## \int \int \int f(x, y) dy dx dz ##

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This isn't exactly a homework question, but I just want to understand the concept of integrals better.
 
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Calpalned said:

Homework Statement


Can a single integral be used to solve a multi-variable equation
"Solve" and "equation" aren't the right words here - you don't "solve" an integral, you evaluate it. And in place of "equation", "function" would be an appropriate choice. When you evaluate an iterated integral, in the inner integrations you are integrating a multi-variable function along one axis to, eventually, get down to an expression in one variable that you can integrate.
Calpalned said:
, and can a triple integral be used to find the area under an y = f(x) curve?
I suspose you could, but it seems like a wasted effort. You can use a double integral to find the area under a curve, y = f(x). For example, these two integrals produce the same value:
$$\int_0^1 x^2 dx$$
and
$$\int_0^1 \int_{y = 0}^{x^2}~1~dy~dx$$

You could turn this into a triple integral to get a volume that is numerically equal to the area of the preceding integrals.
Calpalned said:
What I'm getting at is whether or not single, double and triple integrals must be integrated with respect to their corresponding number of variables. My textbook shows single ##\int f(x) dx ##, double ##\int \int f(x,y) dy dx ## and triple ## \int \int \int f(x, y, z) dy dx dz ## but it never shows ##\int f(x,y)## nor ## \int \int \int f(x, y) dy dx dz ##

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The Attempt at a Solution


This isn't exactly a homework question, but I just want to understand the concept of integrals better.
 
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Mark44 said:
" in place of "equation", "function" would be an appropriate choice

Is this the difference between a function and an equation:
equation ## 10 = 5 + x ## and ## 22 = x^2 + xy + z ##
function ##f(x) = 5+ x ## and ## f(x, y, z) = x^2 + xy + z ##
 
Calpalned said:
Is this the difference between a function and an equation:
equation ## 10 = 5 + x ## and ## 22 = x^2 + xy + z ##
function ##f(x) = 5+ x ## and ## f(x, y, z) = x^2 + xy + z ##
More or less, as far a functions are concerned. In your first function example f maps a number x in its domain to a number 5 + x in its range. f(x) represents the "output" value for an input x value.

In your second function example, f maps an ordered triple (x, y, z) in R3 to the real number x2 + xy + z.
 
I think technically you could evaluate those types of integrals, but you won't really get any thing with meaningful results.
 
The single integral ##\int^{\infty}_{0}e^{-x^{2}}dx## can't be evaluated by finding an antiderivative but can still be worked out by introducing a second integral ##\int^{\infty}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}e^{-x^{2}}\,dy\,dx## I guess it still isn't quite the same thing as working out the single integral because you get a different answer. I'm just trying to think of an integral analogy with something I saw in concrete mathematics for doing finite sums.
 
fourier jr said:
The single integral ##\int^{\infty}_{0}e^{-x^{2}}dx## can't be evaluated by finding an antiderivative but can still be worked out by introducing a second integral ##\int^{\infty}_{0}\int^{x}_{0}e^{-x^{2}}\,dy\,dx## I guess it still isn't quite the same thing as working out the single integral because you get a different answer. I'm just trying to think of an integral analogy with something I saw in concrete mathematics for doing finite sums.

I think you mean ##\int_0^\infty\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2-y^2}~dydx##, which gives the square of that integral, and which is usually evaluated by changing to polar coordinates.
 
I think that's what I meant also :-p
 
Do you understand that \int_a^b \int_c^d f(x,y,z) dxdy would be a function of z?
 
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yeah if you were to integrate a 3rd time it would be wrt z I suppose.
 

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