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The discussion centers on the solubility and dissociation of silver sulfate in water, with participants calculating the Ksp value and discussing electrochemical cells. The dissolving equation for silver sulfate is provided, along with the Ksp expression, which is confirmed to be correct. Participants also explore the separation of ions in a solution and the half-reactions involved in an electrochemical cell with nickel and silver electrodes. Additionally, there is a focus on calculating the hydronium ion concentration from acetic acid's dissociation, with discussions on molarity and equilibrium expressions. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to solve chemistry problems and clarify concepts.
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Can someone check this for me please??

The solubility of silver sulphate is 1.3 x 10^-6 mol/L at 20 degrees celcius.

a) write the equation for the dissolving of this salt in water.
b) show the Ksp expression.
c) calculate the value of the Ksp at 20 degrees celcius.

ANSWERS

a) 2Ag+(aq) + SO4 2-(aq) = Ag2(SO4)

b) Ksp = [Ag+]^2[SO4^2-]

c) I am having trouble withthis: Ksp= (1.3 x 10^-6)(1.3 x 10^-6) = 1.7 x 10^-12
 
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lol wrong place. let me work it out.
 
lol thanks...and I'm a girl! :)
 
yoshi6 said:
lol thanks...and I'm a girl! :)
lol i thought about that when i said bro, so i edited my comment but you checked it fasttt! haha

anyways, so I'm assuming C is your work?

Ag_2SO_4 (s) \rightarrow 2Ag^{+} (aq) + SO_4^{2-} (aq)

You're given K_{sp}=1.3x10^{-6} M of Silver Sulfate, and so when you write your K_{sp} equation it will look like this. (You have it correct, I'm just blabbering)

K_{sp}=[Ag^{+}]^2[SO_4^{2-}] and Ag_2SO_4 (s) is not included b/c we don't include liquids/solids since their concentration change is negligible.

Let x=1.3x10^{-6}, x=[2S]^2

simplifying and skipping steps

1.3x10^{-6}=4S^{3}

S=\sqrt[3]{\frac{1.3x10^{-6}}{4}}

and that's all.
 
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Ok. Well first, I have this one question I have posted before. I really have no clue what they are asking me, I do not know what to do or where to start. Maybe if you have any ideas I can work with it...

A solution contains the following ions, each at a 0.1 M concentration.

Ag+ (aq), Ca2+ (aq), Ni2+ (aq)

write out a procedure by which these ions may be separated from each other and from the solution, clearly indicating the order of separation and when filtering should be done.

So, what is this procedure and order of separation they are talking about? I have no clue what is going on here.
 
i'm not very good at these type of questions (i didn't care for labs too much, I'm lazy), but what comes to mind is solubility rules & activity series of metals.

i'm sure someone will respond :-]
 
OK, and I am having the same kind of issues with this one:

An electrochemical cell is constructed by placing a nickel electrode into a 1.0 M NiSO4 solution, and a silver electrode into a 1.0 M AgNO3 solution, and then joinging them with a salt bridge to complete the circuit.

a) give the anode half reaction and the E0 value.
b) give the cathode half reaction and the E0 value
c) give the net reaction and its E0 value
 
i think i have an idea

Cl^{-} is soluble except in the presence of Ag^{+} in which it is a solid.

so add Cl^{-} to react with Ag, so now you've taken care of Ag -> AgCl (s)
 
yoshi6 said:
OK, and I am having the same kind of issues with this one:

An electrochemical cell is constructed by placing a nickel electrode into a 1.0 M NiSO4 solution, and a silver electrode into a 1.0 M AgNO3 solution, and then joinging them with a salt bridge to complete the circuit.

a) give the anode half reaction and the E0 value.
b) give the cathode half reaction and the E0 value
c) give the net reaction and its E0 value
read this thread real fast https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=181411

and i will work on your problems while thinking of some questions to ask
 
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ok i got it worked out, my question is. what is the purpose of Sulfate and Nitrate?

what are the charges for the individual ions? Ni, SO4, Ag, NO3?
 
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The common charges?

Ni2+, Ag1+, SO4 2-, NO3 1-...right?
 
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yoshi6 said:
The common charges?

Ni2+, Ag1+, SO4 2-, NO3 1-...right?
EDIT: lol ... you have it right, idk what I'm thinking, anyways moving on

so did you read the other thread?

so now look at the reduction potential table and tell me which one you would choose to be your cathode and anode?
 
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lol btw the four of them?
 
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or just between NiSO4 and AgNO3
 
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I would have to say AgNO3 cathode...
 
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you didn't answer my question, what is the purpose of Nitrate and Sulfate?

look at your reduction potential table, are you able to find them?

why do you choose AgNO3 as your cathode?
 
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I am so confused
 
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yoshi6 said:
I am so confused
sigh :-[ ok let's move on

a rule of thumb, E_{cell}>0, we need to choose which one will be the cathode/anode so that E_{cell} is positive.

tell me the what the half-reactions for Ag^{+} and Ni^{2+}.
 
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Okay, like so?

Ag -> 2g-
is that right for Ag+
 
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Ag-> Ag+ + e- is oxidation right?
 
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yoshi6 said:
Okay, like so?

Ag -> 2g-
is that right for Ag+
ok from this list, which half-reactions for Ag+ and Ni2+ would you choose?

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yoshi6 said:
Ag-> Ag+ + e- is oxidation right?
yes, correct.
 
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ok so our half-reactions are

Ag^+ (aq) + e^- \rightarrow Ag (s) \ E^0 +0.80

Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ni (s) \ E^0 -0.28

correct?
 
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Okay so
Ni2+(aq) + 2e- ---> Ni(s) - .28

Ag+(aq) + e- ------> Ag(s) .799
 
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lol wow, I'm embarressed
 
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yoshi6 said:
Okay so
Ni2+(aq) + 2e- ---> Ni(s) - .28

Ag+(aq) + e- ------> Ag(s) .799
now balance your equation so that the amount of electrons being transferred is the same.

then choose which will be the anode b/c they are currently both in their reduction state.

E_{cell} > 0
 
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yoshi6 said:
lol wow, I'm embarressed
don't be :-] i don't know anything about labs so I'm useless there :-D
 
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sorry my computer keeps shutting down...one minute
 
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btw, i think most tables are ordered from the most positive value (reduction, oxidizing agent) to the most negative (oxidized, reducing agent)

so be careful
 
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okay is this one right?
2Ag + 2e- -> 2Ag0

isnt the cathode reaction: Ag+ + e- -> Ag
and the anode reaction: Ag-> Ag+ + e-

Is that significant at all?
 
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yoshi6 said:
okay is this one right?
2Ag + 2e- -> 2Ag0

isnt the cathode reaction: Ag+ + e- -> Ag
and the anode reaction: Ag-> Ag+ + e-

Is that significant at all?
correct and yes b/c it tells you what role they're playing, but you're able to recognize them so it's all good.

anyways

so we have

Ag^+ (aq) + e^- \rightarrow Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ni (s) \ E^0 = -0.28

which becomes

2Ag^+ (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow 2Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

DO NOT! multiply your charge by 2, Electrical potential is an intensive property just like density.

Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ni (s) \ E^0 = -0.28

choosing Nickel to be our anode, we flip it's half-reaction

2Ag^+ (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

Ni (s) \rightarrow Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \ E^0 = -0.28

notice how i didn't flip it's charge? there are two methods in dealing with whether you change your sign or not.

if you're using the equation E_{cell}=E_{cathode}-E_{anode} keep your charges the same, if you're just going to add it all up without the equation, flip your charge with respects to the half-reaction you have chosen to be your anode.

so how would you write your overall reaction? (just add them up and cancel the electrons) and what is the EMF?
 
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okay, i see...

Ag+(aq) + 2e- -> Ag(s) E0 +0.80V
Ni(s) -> NI2+(aq) + 2e- E0 -0.28V
_______________________________________

2Ag + Ni -> Ag + Ni2+ E0 0.52V
 
  • #33
Like so?
 
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yoshi6 said:
okay, i see...

Ag+(aq) + 2e- -> Ag(s) E0 +0.80V
Ni(s) -> NI2+(aq) + 2e- E0 -0.28V
_______________________________________

2Ag + Ni -> Ag + Ni2+ E0 0.52V
no, check your work again.

show me how you plugged your E0 into your equation or if you just flipped it.
 
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did i add them wrong?
 
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yoshi6 said:
did i add them wrong?
yep

show me your work if you were to do it with the equation
 
  • #37
Ecell = E cathode - E anode
= .80 - (-0.28)
=1.08 ?
 
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yoshi6 said:
Ecell = E cathode - E anode
= .80 - (-0.28)
=1.08 ?
correct

and if you just flip the equation and choose not to use the equation, you would've added and resulting in the same answer = +1.08
 
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okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...
 
  • #40
yoshi6 said:
okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...
alright, good luck! have fun
 
  • #41
yoshi6 said:
okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...

chemistry
I also need to do some chemistry :cry:; I have been planning to do it since last two months.
What are you going into, and if you don't mind, where?

If you are planning to really do it; then, you may try
http://www2.ucdsb.on.ca/tiss/stretton/CHEM2/organicx.htm

It has notes for all grade 12 topics/units!
 
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Actually I only have to do it in first year. I am majoring in wildlife biology at the university of guelph.
 
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yoshi6 said:
Actually I only have to do it in first year. I am majoring in wildlife biology at the university of guelph.
wow! beautiful campus ...
 
  • #44
you've been? Lol don't you live in texas?
 
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yoshi6 said:
you've been? Lol don't you live in texas?
i can be anywhere anytime ... <google> :biggrin:

it's nice tho, how's the weather? lol, it's way too hot down here.
 
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ah isee...it is a really nice campus...well, I seem to think it is really hot right now, it's about 31 celcius, what about over there?
 
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okay I have one last question that I am having trouble with. I am almost done my assignment. This is the last one...I have some examples in my book I am trying to follow, however, this is a little different.

If the Ka= 1.8 x 10^-5 for acetic acid (i.e . CH3COOH), what is the H+ ion concentration in a solution of this acid, if 1.2 grams of acid are dissolved in 1.0 L of solution.

So I assume I have to do this:

Ka= [H+][A-]/ [HA] ? and from there...
 
  • #48
so you have 1.2 grams of acetic acid, and you're told it's dissolved in 1.0L sol'n, what would your next step be?

your Ka expression is correct, question tho, is H+ and H3O+ the same?

by analyzing the Ka, what would you estimate the pH to be?
 
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  • #49
yes it is, isn't it?
 
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yoshi6 said:
yes it is, isn't it?
yes, what would you estimate your pH to be?

CH_3COOH (aq) + H_2O (l) \leftrightarrow H_3O^+ (aq) + CH_3COO^- (aq)

what values you would input in your EQUIL for your ICE table?
 
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