Capacitance between a wire and a plane

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The discussion focuses on calculating the capacitance between a wire and a plane using Gauss's law and potential equations. Initial attempts included errors in the electric field expressions and integration paths, which were pointed out by other participants. The corrected process involved calculating the electric fields from both the wire and the plane, leading to a total potential expression. The method of images was suggested as a valid approach since the plane behaves like an effectively grounded infinite plane. The final capacitance expression was derived, confirming the validity of the calculations.
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I want to know whether my process is correct?
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1. By using Gauss's law:
E\cdot 2\pi rz = \frac{\lambda z}{\epsilon_{0}}\Rightarrow E=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0} r}
In my coordinate system, E=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}[y^{2}+(z-d)^{2}]^{-1/2}}
Then,
V=-\int\mathbf{E}\cdot d\mathbf{l}=-\int_{0}^{z}\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}[y^{2}+(z-d)^{2}]^{-1/2}}dz=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}y}\ln{\frac{\left | \sqrt{d^{2}+y^{2}}-d \right |}{\left | \sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}+(z-d) \right |}}
Since C=\frac{Q}{V}, then
<br /> C(\text{per length})=2\pi\epsilon_{0}y\ln{\frac{\left | \sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}+(z-d) \right |}{\left | \sqrt{d^{2}+y^{2}}-d \right |}}<br />
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Use \sigma=-\epsilon\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}|_{z=0} to get the answer.
 
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Kelly Lin said:
whether my process is correct?
No, several errors.
You have written the expression for the field at some arbitrary point, (y, z).
First problem: the expression would be correct without the plate. Perhaps the charge distribution on the plate changes it?
Second problem: you integrate this wrt z,but leaving y as arbitrary. What path is that along?
Note that it would be simpler to run the integral in the other direction, avoiding the d-z.
Third problem: if you fix the second problem, you will get an integral that diverges at the wire end. You need to take into account the radius of the wire.
Fourth problem. You have z as a bound on the integral. What should it be?
 
haruspex said:
No, several errors.
You have written the expression for the field at some arbitrary point, (y, z).
First problem: the expression would be correct without the plate. Perhaps the charge distribution on the plate changes it?
Second problem: you integrate this wrt z,but leaving y as arbitrary. What path is that along?
Note that it would be simpler to run the integral in the other direction, avoiding the d-z.
Third problem: if you fix the second problem, you will get an integral that diverges at the wire end. You need to take into account the radius of the wire.
Fourth problem. You have z as a bound on the integral. What should it be?

Now, I correct my process!
Firstly, the electric field generated by the plane is E_{plane}=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_{0}}\hat{\mathbf{z}}.
Then, by the definition of potential, I can get the potential V_{plane}=-\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_{0}}z
On the other hand, the electric field generated by the wire is E_{wire}=\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}r}\hat{\mathbf{r}}
Then, the potential is V_{wire}=-\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}}\ln{\frac{r}{a}}=-\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}}\ln{\frac{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}}{a}}
Thus, the total potential will be V_{total}=-\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_{0}}z-\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}}\ln{\frac{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}}{a}}

Now, we can use the relation \sigma=-\epsilon\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}|_{z=0} to get the surface charge density.
<br /> <br /> \sigma = \frac{\lambda}{2\pi} \frac{a}{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}} \frac{1}{2} \frac{2(z-d)}{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}} |_{z=0} + \frac{\sigma}{2}\\<br /> \frac{\sigma}{2} = \frac{\lambda}{2\pi} \frac{-ad}{d^{2}+y^{2}}\\<br /> \sigma = \frac{-\lambda a d}{\pi(d^{2}+y^{2})}<br /> <br />
Then, we can go back and get the total potential in the system
<br /> V =-\frac{\lambda}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}}\ln{\frac{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}}{a}} + \frac{\lambda adz}{2\pi\epsilon_{0}(d^{2}+y^{2})}<br />
and the capacitance per length of the wire is
<br /> C = \frac{\lambda}{V} = \frac{2\pi\epsilon_{0}(d^{2}+y^{2})}{adz} - 2\pi\epsilon_{0}\ln{\frac{a}{\sqrt{(z-d)^{2}+y^{2}}}}<br /> [\tex]
 
Kelly Lin said:
the electric field generated by the plane is
That expression is for a uniformly charged plane. It won't be.
Consider the method of images.
 
haruspex said:
That expression is for a uniformly charged plane. It won't be.
Consider the method of images.
At first glance of the question, I came up with this method.
However, the plane isn't grounded so I am unsure if this method is valid for this problem?
 
Kelly Lin said:
At first glance of the question, I came up with this method.
However, the plane isn't grounded so I am unsure if this method is valid for this problem?
It is an infinite plane. That is effectively grounded.
 
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haruspex said:
It is an infinite plane. That is effectively grounded.
 
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