Capacitance of a spherical cell

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the capacitance of a spherical cell membrane, which is characterized by its thickness and dielectric constant. The original poster presents a formula for capacitance and attempts to apply it to the given dimensions of the cell.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the capacitance formula but expresses uncertainty about their calculations, particularly regarding the radii used in the formula. Other participants question the appropriateness of the values substituted into the formula and suggest clarifying the definitions of the inner and outer radii.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the correct application of the capacitance formula. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the radii, and there is an exploration of the mathematical relationships involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being examined without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the assumptions regarding the thickness of the cell membrane and its relationship to the overall dimensions of the spherical cell. The original poster's calculations are based on the provided parameters, but there is acknowledgment of potential errors in the application of the formula.

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Homework Statement



A cell membrane is composed of lipid molecules and approximately 10.29 nm thick. If the dielectric constant of the lipid is kappa= 5 , what is the approximate capacitance of a spherical cell that has a diameter of 10.29 micro meters?

Homework Equations


E=KQ/r^2
C=Q/deltaV=1/K(1/r1-1/r2)
r2=D/2




The Attempt at a Solution


So I've come up with the final solution for to get the answer is Kappa*C=>Kappa(1/K(1/r1-1/r2). I'm not really sure what I am doing wrong, but I keep coming up with answers like 5.72e-18F, which is incorrect. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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You need to show exactly how you came up with that number. Otherwise, we can't figure out why it is incorrect. Do you know the correct answer?
 
I don't know the correct answer.
so what I did was used the aforementioned formula and insterted all the values(after converting them). My guess is I went wrong somewhere with the (1/r1-1/r2). I used the thickness for r1 and the diameter of the sphere/2 for r2. anyway, here is the what I got:
5(1(8.99e9((1/1.029e-8m)-(1/1.029e-5/2))))=5.73e-18
 
You cannot use the thickness for r1. In the expression for the capacitance r1 is the inner radius and r2 is the outer radius. The thickness is d = r2 - r1. Now note that this thickness is one-thousandth of the diameter, very thin. You need an approximation. What do you get for the difference

[tex]\frac{1}{r_1}-\frac{1}{r_2}[/tex]

after subtracting the fractions? Do it with symbols - don't put in numbers yet.
 
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so r1=(d/2)-thickness
that makes a lot more sense and yielded a correct answer!
thanks a bunch!
 
Not what I had in mind, but with today's calculators, I guess it is possible. For whatever it's worth, this is where I was going

[tex] \frac{1}{r_1}-\frac{1}{r_2}=\frac{r_{2}-r_{1}}{r_{2}r_{1}}\approx\frac{d}{r^{2}}[/tex]

The last approximation is valid because the radii are so close to each other. It is a useful approximation to know.
 

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