Change in atmopheric pressure with height (Thermodynamics)

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The discussion focuses on deriving the change in atmospheric pressure with height, expressed as dp/dz = p(-μg/RT), where μ is molecular weight, g is gravitational acceleration, R is the universal gas constant, and T is temperature. Participants explore the relationship between force, pressure, and the ideal gas law, attempting to derive the necessary expressions for density and pressure. There is confusion regarding the notation, particularly the mass of the air column (ma) and its relation to the number of moles (n). Additionally, the conversation shifts to adiabatic expansion, with attempts to derive expressions involving temperature and pressure changes. The thread highlights the complexity of thermodynamic equations in atmospheric science.
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Homework Statement



Think of Earth's atmosphere as an ideal gas of molecular weight \mu in a uniform gravitational field. Let g denote the acceleration due to gravity.

If z denotes the height above the sea level, show that the change of atmospheric pressure p with height is given by

dp/dz = p(\left(-\mug/RT)

where,
dp = change in pressure
dz = change in height
\mu = molecular weight
R = Universal gas constant
T = temperature

Homework Equations



1) F = mg
2) P = F/A
3) PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



With the relation between force and pressure, I derived an expression of p in terms of m and g. Using the ideal gas law, i obtained another equation for p. I am lost in my attempt to derive dp/dz. Please help.

Thank in advance,
Priam
 
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Gas equation is given by pV = nRT, where is the number of mole.
n is given by [mass of the air column (ma) on unit area]/mu.
Hence pV = [(ma)/(mu)]RT ...(1)
Now p = rho*g*z...(2)
and dp/dz = rho*g...(3)
From equation (1) find the expression for rho and substitute in eq. (3)
 
thank rl.bhat!

but the notations are confusing.
n = (ma)/(mu)
so ma is the mass of air column ? Can you explain a bit further please ?
 
ma is the mas of the air column on unit area, mu is the molecular weight of air.
So number of mole = n = ma/mu.
 
figured i have to derive yet another expression. This time I have to assume an adiabatic expansion and show

dp/p = {\gamma/(\gamma-1)}{dT/T}

i.e.

dp/dT = {\gamma/(\gamma-1)} {p/T}


My idea:

since it is an adiabatic expansion, i have
pz(\gamma-1) / T(Z)\gamma = constant

I used it and tried to cook the needed expression, but i got lost.
 
For adiabatic expression pV^gamma = K
You replace V by nR(T/p)
So p(nRT/p)^gamma = k or
p(T/p)^gamma = K'
i.e. T^gamma*p^(1-gamma) = K.
Take the differentiation and simplify.
 
How would you derive the hydrostatic equation in spherical polars?

Thanks
 
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