Charged particle in magetic field problem

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The discussion revolves around a charged particle, specifically a proton, moving in the Earth's magnetic field. The problem involves determining the nature of the proton's orbit based on its velocity and the magnetic field characteristics at a specified altitude.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and Lorentz force to determine the orbit type. Questions arise regarding how to assess the balance of forces and the implications for the direction of the proton's velocity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on analyzing the forces acting on the proton, while others are questioning their assumptions about the orbit type and the effects of the magnetic field. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the nature of the orbit and the direction of motion.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the adequacy of gravitational force to maintain the proton's orbit and the implications of the magnetic force's direction. Participants are also considering the assumptions made about the proton's speed and its relationship to the forces involved.

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Hello everyone, I have a concept problem I am having a problem understanding

Assume the Earth's magnetic dipole moment is aligned with the Earth's rotational axis, and the Earth's magnetic field is cylindrically symmetric.
If i have a proton traveling in orbit to the Earth at a height of 7950000 meter where the Earth's magetic field has an intensity of 5.45 X 10^-8 T at a speed of 41890384.6154 m/s

How do I determine the way the proton's velocity is traveling?

I have the choices of

1. an equatorial orbit from East to West.
2.a polar orbit.
3. an equatorial orbit from West to East.

I believe it would be an equatorial orbit as it is perpendicular to the Earth's magnetic field, however I am not complete sure and even if I was right, how would I determine if it orbits west to east or east to west?

Any help or tip would be appreciated, thx
 
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fiyavan said:
Hello everyone, I have a concept problem I am having a problem understanding

Assume the Earth's magnetic dipole moment is aligned with the Earth's rotational axis, and the Earth's magnetic field is cylindrically symmetric.
If i have a proton traveling in orbit to the Earth at a height of 7950000 meter where the Earth's magetic field has an intensity of 5.45 X 10^-8 T at a speed of 41890384.6154 m/s

How do I determine the way the proton's velocity is traveling?

I have the choices of

1. an equatorial orbit from East to West.
2.a polar orbit.
3. an equatorial orbit from West to East.

I believe it would be an equatorial orbit as it is perpendicular to the Earth's magnetic field, however I am not complete sure and even if I was right, how would I determine if it orbits west to east or east to west?

Any help or tip would be appreciated, thx
If it is traveling in a circular orbit, you know that the combined force of gravity and the Lorentz force are constant. Since gravity is constant, the Lorentz force must be constant. So either the Lorentz force is non-zero and constant or it is 0.

In order to determine which it is, work out the gravitational force and determine if it is sufficient to keep the proton in that orbit. If it is, the Lorentz force must be 0 (polar orbit). If it is not, determine whether gravity is greater or less than the centripetal force to determine the direction of the Lorentz force, and hence the direction of the proton.

AM
 
Thanks for the speedy tip AM

I believe the question implied that the proton is to be traveling at the speed that I said ealier and kept there in constant to be in orbit and cancel the gravity to 0, hence polar orbit.

However that turned out to be the wrong answer, what do you think I did wrong here and could u provide futher explanation as how to determine which way the orbit would be if the centripetal force is greater or lesser
 
HINT: What is the direction of [itex]\vec g \times \vec B[/itex]?
 
fiyavan said:
I believe the question implied that the proton is to be traveling at the speed that I said ealier and kept there in constant to be in orbit and cancel the gravity to 0, hence polar orbit.

However that turned out to be the wrong answer, what do you think I did wrong here and could u provide futher explanation as how to determine which way the orbit would be if the centripetal force is greater or lesser

If you work it out, the force of gravity is not sufficient to provide the centripetal force for such an orbit.

So the magnetic force has to be non-zero. What kind of orbit does that imply? The magnetic force has to be in what direction?

Since [itex]\vec{F} = q\vec{v}\times\vec{B}[/itex], what direction must v be in order to provide that centripetal force?

AM
 

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