Charging of resistor with resistance in parallel

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The discussion revolves around the charging behavior of a capacitor in a circuit with a constant emf source and a resistor in parallel. Participants explore the implications of ideal conditions on the initial charge of the capacitor and the time constant for charging, addressing both theoretical and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that with a constant emf ε and an initial charge of zero, the potential difference across the capacitor should remain constant, leading to the conclusion that the charge q(t) must be constant and non-zero, which contradicts the initial condition of zero charge.
  • Another participant echoes the initial claim and emphasizes that the idealized scenario leads to unphysical situations, such as an infinite initial current, which raises questions about the validity of the assumptions made.
  • Some participants assert that the time constant for the charging of the capacitor is zero, suggesting that the theoretical model does not align with practical realities.
  • One participant, identifying as an engineer, argues that the answer is irrelevant in practical terms due to the presence of resistance in real-world power sources and connections, which are not accounted for in the ideal model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of the ideal model, with some asserting that the time constant is zero while others highlight the unphysical nature of the scenario. There is no consensus on how to reconcile the theoretical predictions with practical realities.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the idealized assumptions, such as the neglect of resistance in real circuits and the implications of starting with zero initial charge. These factors contribute to the unresolved nature of the claims made.

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The cell can provide conatant emf ε and initial charge of capacitor is zero.
Now current through resistor initially is zero and increases. But the potential difference across the capacitor is always a constant with magnitude ε.
then ##\frac{q(t)}{C}=E##
So ##q(t)=CE## which implies q is constant and non zero. So initial charge in capacitor can never be zero! But this contradicts the initial condition. What mistake am I doing? I am trying to find the time constant.
 

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AdityaDev said:
The cell can provide conatant emf ε and initial charge of capacitor is zero.
Now current through resistor initially is zero and increases. But the potential difference across the capacitor is always a constant with magnitude ε.
then ##\frac{q(t)}{C}=E##
So ##q(t)=CE## which implies q is constant and non zero. So initial charge in capacitor can never be zero! But this contradicts the initial condition. What mistake am I doing? I am trying to find the time constant.
The problem with ideal things is that they can lead to unphysical situations such as this. An idea capacitor does start off with zero volts and an ideal voltage source provides that voltage as soon as it comes on and continues to provide it, unwaveringly. This leads to the situation here where the initial current is infinite, which is unphysical.
 
So the time constant for charging of capacitor is zero.
 
AdityaDev said:
So the time constant for charging of capacitor is zero.
Again, this is an unphysical situation. I'm an engineer. As far as I'm concerned, the answer is irrelevant because it is impossible. Real world power sources and wires to capacitors have resistance, even if only a small amount.
 
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