Charging potential vs time graph.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of time in charging potential vs time graphs, particularly in the context of RC circuits. Participants explore the use of the time constant (tau) in graphing and its implications for understanding the behavior of charging currents and voltages.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why time (t) is used instead of a variable like x in the context of these graphs.
  • There is confusion regarding the notation of tau, with some suggesting that it may appear differently on various operating systems.
  • Participants discuss the representation of time in terms of the time constant (tau), with some asserting that using t/tau allows for normalization across different resistor and capacitor values.
  • One participant notes that using t/tau makes the graphs scale invariant, which helps in comparing different circuits.
  • There is a suggestion that the use of tau may not be necessary and that simply using time could suffice, prompting further exploration of the reasons behind this choice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and clarity of using tau in graphs. While some agree on the benefits of normalization, others question the complexity it introduces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to represent time in these graphs.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention issues with LaTeX rendering and notation clarity, which may affect the understanding of the discussion. There are also references to the dimensionality of time and the interpretation of graph axes that remain open to interpretation.

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Why don't we simply take t as x? why is it t?

Where is the time constant.

If you're looking at a question mark instead of the symbol "tau"...you know its tau.
 
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dE_logics said:
Why don't we simply take t as x? why is it t?
You might get an answer if you explained what the question is.

AM
 
On one axis we have the charging current/voltage, while on the other instead of time (t) we have t ...why?


And yeah...latex is still giving problems?...I think I got a cache problem.
 
This picture shows what I'm seeing:
 

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Actually I'm on linux, and so this website seems MS friendly.

So that 'tau' seems like a matrix in windows.

So if you encounter any sort of weird symbols, take it as 'tau' or time constant.
 
So are you trying to write [itex]t / \tau[/itex]?
 
ITs t*tau not t/tau.
 
Latex just started working for me!

[tex]t \tau[/tex]...this is what I mean.
 
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I've seen many capacitor charging/discharging graphs that use [itex]t / \tau[/itex] on one of the axes, but never one that uses [itex]t \tau[/itex]. Are you sure the [itex]\tau[/itex] isn't a subscript, i.e. [itex]t_{\tau}[/itex]?
 
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Are you referring to graphs like this one?

The horizontal scale markings indicate [itex]t = \tau[/itex], [itex]t = 2 \tau[/itex], [itex]t = 3 \tau[/itex], etc. This means the same thing as [itex]t / \tau = 1[/itex], [itex]t / \tau = 2[/itex], [itex]t / \tau = 3[/itex], etc.

The 1, 2, 3, etc. are not t's. t and [itex]\tau[/itex] both have units of time, so the numbers are dimensionless.
 
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Yeah...the same thing.

So why did this [tex]\tau[/tex] stuff pop by?...why not simply use time?
 
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Normalization, the time constant will vary between different values of R and C but as long as you plot the time axis in terms of the time constant then the plots will all be the same (barring differences in the magnitude of the initial voltage).
 
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Oh...you mean to maintain the nature of the graph...right?
 
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Yeah. Plotting in units of time constants allows the graph to be scale invariant with respect to the R and C of the circuit. It's the same reason why when we plot graphs of waves and such we use wavelengths as our units of space. It automatically scales the plots in such a way that the information of interest is readily seen.
 
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Humm...ok, thanks!
 

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