Checking an implicit solution of a diff eqn

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The problem involves determining whether certain equations define implicit functions of x and whether they serve as implicit solutions to corresponding differential equations. The equations in question are e^(x-y) + e^(y-x)(dy/dx) = 0 and e^(2y) + e^(2x) = 1.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the right equation for y, differentiate it, and substitute back into the left equation but encounters difficulties. Some participants suggest using implicit differentiation instead of solving for y directly, noting it may simplify the process.

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Participants are exploring different methods of differentiation and substitution. There is acknowledgment of a potential simplification in the problem-solving approach, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the solution.

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The original poster mentions a lack of clarity due to a blurry image and expresses uncertainty about using LaTeX, which may affect the presentation of their work. There is also a correction regarding a misunderstanding of an exponential property that was pointed out by another participant.

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Homework Statement


"Determine whether the equations on the right define implicit functions of x. For those which do, determine whether they are implicit solutions of the differential equations on the left."

e^(x-y) + e^(y-x)(dy/dx) = 0, e^(2y)+e^(2x) = 1

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Apologies for blurry camera picture, I still don't know latex.
I solved the right equation for y, then took the derivative, and plugged both back into the left equation. I've been looking at this for about half an hour and I can't figure out where I've gone wrong.

edit: the answer says that it is an implicit solution
 
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You should probably try using implicit differentiation, like your title suggests. If e^(2x)+e^(2y)=1 then 2*e^(2x)+2*y'*e^(2y)=0 differentiating both sides by x, right? Solve for y' and substitute into the differential equation. It's often a lot easier then solving for y (which might not even be possible) and then differentiating.
 
Hi df606! :smile:

You wrote something like this two times:

e^{\frac{1}{2}\log(1-e^{2x})}=\sqrt{e}(1-e^{2x})

You seem to be doing e^{ab}=e^ae^b, which is of course incorrect. The correct formula is

e^{\frac{1}{2}\log(1-e^{2x})}=\left( e^{\log(1-e^{2x})}\right)^{1/2}=\sqrt{1-e^{2x}}

I did not check from there on...
 
Aha! Thank you micromass. I figured I was doing something like that. However, after doing what Dick suggested, the problem became incredibly simple, and I find it rather hilarious that I didn't try doing that earlier.
 

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