Checking the Solution to -√2: Is It Right?

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The discussion revolves around verifying the correctness of a solution to an integral problem from Apostol's Calculus, specifically concerning the evaluation of an integral along a specified path. The original poster questions whether the book's answer of -√2 is accurate.

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  • Participants explore the validity of the book's answer, with some arguing that the integral must be positive based on the properties of the integrand and the path. Others suggest that context regarding the path and the definition of ds may influence the interpretation of the integral.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants provide reasoning that challenges the book's answer, while others highlight the importance of context and definitions in understanding the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's solution versus the book's answer.

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Participants note that the problem is situated within a specific section of Apostol's Calculus, and there are references to potential errors in the book's solutions. The discussion includes considerations of how line integrals function in vector fields and the implications of signed ds in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the line integral with respect to arc length.

##\int_C (x+y)ds##, where ##C## is the triangle with vertices ##(0,0), (1,0)## and ##(0,1)##, traversed in a counterclockwise direction.
Relevant Equations
There are three separate paths on the triangle with parametric equations

$$\vec{r_1}(t)=\langle t,0 \rangle$$
$$\vec{r_2}(t)=\langle 1-t,t \rangle$$
$$\vec{r_3}(t)=\langle 0,1-t \rangle$$

The corresponding velocity vectors are
$$\vec{v_1}(t)=\langle 1,0 \rangle$$
$$\vec{v_2}(t)=\langle -1,1 \rangle$$
$$\vec{v_3}(t)=\langle 0,-1 \rangle$$

and speeds

$$v_1(t)=1$$
$$v_2(t)=\sqrt{2}$$
$$v_3(t)=1$$

The line integral then becomes

$$\int_C (x+y)ds = \int_0^1 t dt+\int_0^1 \sqrt{2} dt+\int_0^1 (1-t)dt$$

$$=1/2+\sqrt{2}+1-1/2$$

$$=\sqrt{2}+1$$
The answer at the end of the book says ##-\sqrt{2}##.

Is this correct or is my solution correct?

Here is a depiction of the path where we are integrating

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We can see the book solution is wrong without doing any integrating. The integrand ##(x+y)## is positive everywhere along the line of integration, and ##ds## is always positive by definition. So the integral has to be positive. So it can't be ##-\sqrt 2##.
Your approach looks reasonable.
 
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Maybe we are missing some context here.
The diagram shows a specified path around the loop. The given answer works if we allow ds to be signed, e.g. going from (0,1) to (0,0) giving the opposite sign to the reverse direction. That would be how a line integral works in a vector field or in the complex plane. And complex analysis is what I associate with the name Apostol.
 
haruspex said:
Maybe we are missing some context here.
The diagram shows a specified path around the loop. The given answer works if we allow ds to be signed, e.g. going from (0,1) to (0,0) giving the opposite sign to the reverse direction. That would be how a line integral works in a vector field or in the complex plane. And complex analysis is what I associate with the name Apostol.
My interpretation of ds would be a change of length in a parameterized path. So the counter-clockwise path has a positive ds going down the Y-axis.
 
This is exercise 7 in section 10.9 of Apostol, Calculus Vol II (2nd ed). For context, on pages 329-330, the following definition is given:

Let \alpha be a path with \alpha&#039; continuous on [a,b]. The graph of \alpha is a rectifiable curve. In Volume I we proved that the corresponding arc length integral is given by <br /> s(t) = \int_a^t \|\alpha&#039;(u)\|\,du The derivative of arc length is given by <br /> s&#039;(t) = \|\alpha&#039;(t)\|. Let \phi be a scalar field, defined and bounded on C, the graph of \alpha. The line integral of \phi with respect to arc length along C is given by <br /> \int_C \phi\,ds = \int_a^b \phi(\alpha(t))s&#039;(t)\,dt, whenever the integral on the right exists.

The OP's calculations would therefore appear to be correct, and the answer given in the book is wrong. Searching for errata turned up this exchange from 2015:

shinobi20 said:
I am studying calculus using apostol, I found that some answers at the back are wrong. I tried to search for an errata copy but can't find any. Does anyone know how to get one or has a list of errors?

Greg Bernhardt said:
I would contact the publisher

I should note that I did check Wiley's website, but no errata are given there.
 
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As a quick check, note that, on each segment, the integral equals the average value of the integrand times the length of the segment. This average value is 1/2 on each of the segments of length one, and 1 on the segment of length sqrt(2), hence it seems the total integral is 1+sqrt(2) as stated, even with no pencil and paper computation at all. I.e. an integral is just a way of computing an average value, so when that average is obvious, little work is needed.
 
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