Circuit Problem involving resistors and a switch

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving resistors and a switch, focusing on determining the emf of a battery, its internal resistance, and the circuit resistance. The scenario includes measurements from a voltmeter and an ammeter under different switch conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the emf reading from the voltmeter when the switch is open and closed, and the implications for calculating resistance. There are attempts to relate voltage, current, and resistance using Ohm's law and series resistance equations. Questions arise about how to proceed with the calculations and the relationships between the variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on forming equations that relate the known voltages and currents to the unknown resistances. There is an ongoing exploration of how to utilize the measurements effectively to derive the necessary values, with no explicit consensus reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the meters are ideal and do not affect the circuit. There is some confusion regarding the interpretation of voltage readings and their impact on resistance calculations.

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Homework Statement



When switch S in the figure below is open, the voltmeter V of the battery reads 3.68 V. When the switch is closed, the voltmeter reading drops to 3.50 V, and the ammeter A reads 1.80 A. Assume that the two meters are ideal, so they don't affect the circuit.

Find the emf of the battery.

Find the internal resistance of the battery.

Find the circuit resistance R.

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Homework Equations


V=IR
Resistors in series: Req=R1+R2+R3...


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the emf of the battery to be 3.68 V, because it is the only voltage source being read by the voltmeter when the switch is open.

I am not sure how to find the resistance.
I have come up with this:
Req = r + R
Vtotal = I*Req ==> Req = Vtotal/I = 3.5/1.8 = 1.944 Ω

1.944 = r + R

I am not sure where to go from here.
 
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yaro99 said:
I found the emf of the battery to be 3.68 V, because it is the only voltage source being read by the voltmeter when the switch is open.

Right.
I am not sure how to find the resistance.
I have come up with this:
Req = r + R
Vtotal = I*Req ==> Req = Vtotal/I = 3.5/1.8 = 1.944 Ω

1.944 = r + R

I am not sure where to go from here.

What's the voltage read by the voltmeter after the switch is closed?
 
rude man said:
Right.


What's the voltage read by the voltmeter after the switch is closed?

It will be 3.5 V according to the problem, which I tried using in my calculations. I'm still confused.
 
yaro99 said:
It will be 3.5 V according to the problem, which I tried using in my calculations. I'm still confused.

OK, so how about you write an equation relating that 3.5V with the current of 1.8A, the battery voltage E and the unknown resistor r?

Then, do you have 2 equations with 2 unknowns (r and R)?
 
The emf of the battery is 3.68 V. If you could connect the voltmeter to the right of r it would still read that when current is flowing. But connected to the left there is a voltage drop across r. How much is it?

When you know that, since you know the current through r, you can calculate r.

You will also know the voltage drop across R, the current is the same and known so you can calculate R.
 

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