Classical block on inclined plane

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of a block projected up an inclined plane with an initial speed \( v_0 \), an angle \( \theta \), and a coefficient of friction \( \mu \). The key equations used include \( F = ma \), \( d = \frac{1}{2}at^2 + v_0t + d_0 \), and \( v_1 = at + v_0 \). The user encounters challenges with imaginary roots when calculating time \( t \) and velocity \( v_1 \) due to negative acceleration and distance. The consensus is that real roots exist if the initial velocity \( v_0 \) is non-zero and the distance \( d \) is appropriately small.

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Homework Statement



A block at t=0 is at the bottom of the plane and is projected up an inclined plane with initial speed v0. The plane's acute angle is θ above the horizontal, and the coefficient of friction is μ between the block and plane.

Find the time (t) and velocity (v1) of the block when it reaches a given distance d.

Homework Equations




1. F=ma
2. d=(1/2)at^2 + v0t + d0
3. v1=at+v0

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a picture electronically:
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I made the direction FN and v0 positive.

#1
x dir
F = ma
F = -FμN - mgsinθ
ma = -μmgcosθ - mgsinθ
a = g(-μcosθ - sinθ)

So I found my a (should be a negative value), and now I want to find t when the block reaches d.

#2
d = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t +d0
0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d


Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
 
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Why do you have -a in equation #2?

And why do you think that the roots are imaginary? They depend on d; if it is sufficiently small, roots will be real. This makes perfect sense physically, because there is some maximum distance that the block can travel at any initial velocity.
 
cassinova said:
Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
That does not automatically make the roots imaginary. There will be real roots if v0 is nonzero and d is sufficiently small.
 
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.
 
cassinova said:
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.

Consider ## a = 2, \ v_0 = 5, \ d = 4 ##: is your statement true?
 

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