Component of angular velocity in rigid body motion -- which is right?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular velocity in the context of rigid body motion. Participants explore the relationship between different definitions of angular velocity, particularly how components of angular velocity can be interpreted and whether they can be combined to represent a single equivalent rotation. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to rotational dynamics.

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  • One participant notes two definitions of angular velocity, questioning how they relate and whether the three components can be added to yield a single rotation axis.
  • Another participant references Euler's rotation theorem, suggesting that under simple finite rotations, it is possible to represent the combined rotation as a single axis.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while angular velocities can be added as vectors, performing separate rotations about each axis does not yield a unique result due to the non-commutative nature of finite rotations.
  • It is mentioned that at any instant, the combined rotation can be viewed as a rotation about a single axis, but this axis and rate will change unless the object has specific symmetrical properties.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of angular velocity components and their combination. There is no consensus on whether the components can be simply added to represent a single rotation axis, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of non-commutativity in rotations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of rotational motion, particularly when considering continual rotations about multiple axes and the implications of the object's symmetry on the analysis of angular velocity.

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Let w = (w1, w2, w3) wrt to the body frame of a rigid body, where the body frame is right-handed orthonormal. I have gathered 2 definitions of w from different sources and I am confused at how they connect to one another. One is that the RB rotates about w through its CoM at rate abs(w), the other is that each component of w represents the rate at which the RB rotates about that particular basis axis. Does this mean we can somehow add the 3 rotations (which are about different axes) and get an equivalent rotation about some other (single) axis? Thanks!
 
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mcheung4 said:
Let w = (w1, w2, w3) wrt to the body frame of a rigid body, where the body frame is right-handed orthonormal. I have gathered 2 definitions of w from different sources and I am confused at how they connect to one another. One is that the RB rotates about w through its CoM at rate abs(w), the other is that each component of w represents the rate at which the RB rotates about that particular basis axis. Does this mean we can somehow add the 3 rotations (which are about different axes) and get an equivalent rotation about some other (single) axis? Thanks!
Yes, if there is a simple finite rotation. That is Euler's rotation theorem. See:http://vmm.math.uci.edu/PalaisPapers/EulerFPT.pdf

Where there is continual rotation about more than one axis, one axis of rotation will rotate about another axis, which means the axis will precess. Warning: that analysis of rotational motion can be rather complicated and difficult.

AM
 
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mcheung4 said:
Does this mean we can somehow add the 3 rotations (which are about different axes) and get an equivalent rotation about some other (single) axis?

You can add them as vectors. If you want to "add" them by doing 3 separate rotations, one about each axis, this is a different matter. A velocity is a rate of rotation, not a finite rotation. You'd have to define what it means to "apply each angular velocity component separately about its corresponding axis". I think you can make this definition meaningful if you think in terms of integrating angular velocity to get net displacement. As I recall, it has to do with taking the exponential of matrices.

Finite rotations don't commute. So if you say "perform each rotation separately about its correspondin axis" this doesn't define a unique answer. The order in which you perform them can give different results - i.e. a specific point on the rotating object can end up in different positions depending on the order of rotations. So if you treated the velocity numbers as finite rotations and performed the component rotations, you would not, in general, end up with a rotation equal to their vector sum.
 
At any instant in time, you can view the combined rotation as a rotation about a single axis, but unless the object is spherically symmetric (or has an inertial tensor with just a single eigenvalue), the rotation rate and axis will change over time.
 

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