Conditional Probability, Failure of Concrete Beam

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The discussion centers on calculating the failure probability of a concrete beam under shear and flexure conditions. Given that the overall failure probability is 0.2, and the conditional probability of shear failure given flexure failure is 0.8, the correct calculation leads to a failure probability in flexure of 16.67%. The user initially misinterpreted the failure probabilities but clarified that the 0.2 represents the union of shear and flexure failures, not their intersection.

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Homework Statement



A concrete beam my fail by shear or flexure. The failure probability in shear is equal to the failure probability in flexure, and the probability of failure in shear when the beam is loaded beyond is flexure capacity (ie, it has already failed in flexure) is 80%. Find the failure probability of the beam in flexure, given that that the probability of failure of the beam is 0.2.

Homework Equations



P(A | B) = P(A \cap B) / P(B) (conditional probability equation)

The Attempt at a Solution



So I started out by giving everything that's known:

P(Failure) = 0.2 ==> P(Failure Shear \cup Failure Flexure) = 0.2
P(Failure Shear) = P(Failure Flexure)
P(Failure Shear | Failure Flexure) = 0.8

What I want to do is plug into the above equation, P(A | B) = P(A \cap B) / P(B), since this seems to be a conditional probability problem. Plugging in:

0.8 = 0.2 / P(Failure Flexure) -> P(Failure Flexure) = 0.25 = 25%

However, I don't believe this is correct because I believe the 0.2 given is P(Failure Shear \cup Failure Flexure), not P(Failure Shear \cap Failure Flexure). I believe this because the 0.2 means probability of failure due to shear *or* flexure, which signifies union, not shear AND flexure, which signifies intersection.

Could anybody steer me in the right direction? This is probably a very elementary problem but probability has never really 'clicked' with me. Thanks!
 
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I think I may have gotten an answer...but I'd like some confirmation of my work if you guys wouldn't mind.

First off,
S = Shear
F = Flexure

P(S \cup F) = 0.2
P(S | F) = 0.8

P(S \cup F) = P(S) + P(F) - P(S \cap F)
P(S \cup F) = P(S) + P(F) - P(S | F)P(F) (conditional probability property)
P(S \cup F) + P(S | F)P(F) = P(S) + P(F)

Dividing through by P(F) on the left,

P(S \cup F)/P(F) + P(S | F) = 1 + 1, since P(F)=P(S)

Therefore, plugging in and solving:

0.2/P(F) + 0.8 = 2

Solving for P(F), I get 16.67%. Any checking of my work would be great. Thanks :).
 
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