Confirmation of a net force calculation from a diagram

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The discussion centers on calculating the net force from a diagram, with participants using the cosine and sine laws for their calculations. Initial calculations yielded a net force of 15.6N directed "S 50.4 W," but there were discrepancies regarding the angle notation and the method used. After further discussion, the correct net force was confirmed to be 15.65N at "N 50.2 W," with emphasis on maintaining significant figures during calculations. Participants acknowledged the importance of peer verification in an online learning environment. The conversation highlights the collaborative nature of problem-solving in physics.
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Homework Statement


Calculate the net force acting on the object indicated in the following diagram. Show your work.
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Homework Equations


cosine/sine law

The Attempt at a Solution


First I subtracted 10N and 8N (since they are forces acting in different directions):
-8.0N (S) + 10.0N (S) = 2.0 (S)

Then I used the tip-to-tail method:
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First using cosine law to find magnitude of the net force:
c2 = a2 + b2 - 2abcosC
c2 = 4 + 289 - 2 x 2 x 17 (cos45)
c2 = 293 - 48
c = 15.6N

Now angle using sine law:
sina/2.0N = sinb/17N = sin45/15.6N
b = sin-1 (sin45/15.6 x 17)
b = 50.4

Therefore, the net force is 15.6N (S 50.4 W) West of South
 

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Your resultant magnitude looks right, but your angle (as reported: "S 50.4 W") does not. The angles are close, so if you want to go with "S <angle> W" notation, then then your B vector would have an angle of "S 135 W". Think about it.
 
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lewando said:
The angles are close, so if you want to go with "S <angle> W" notation, then then your B vector would have an angle of "S 135 W". Think about it.
I think I understand what I did wrong regarding the angle. As far as I can tell based on the original diagram, 17N is (N 45 W), therefore, the angle of the net force should be (N 50.4 W). Does this look right?
 
Looks much better, except I got a slightly different value because I held on to an extra digit in the magnitude result (15.65), when doing the sin rule calculation.
 
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I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm on my phone at the moment but will try and post again later.
 
lewando said:
Looks much better, except I got a slightly different value because I held on to an extra digit in the magnitude result (15.65), when doing the sin rule calculation.
After re-doing the calculations, I got the same result (15.65).
So it would actually end up being: 15.65N (N 50.2 W).
Is this what you got?
 
Yes. 15.65 is over-precise, given the digit-significance of the values in the problem statement. It is good to be overprecise during intermediate calculations.
 
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CWatters said:
I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm pretty sure I used head-to-tail in my diagram, I don't think I got that part wrong.
 
CWatters said:
I haven't had time to check your working but your diagram looked wrong to me. You appear to be doing tail to tail rather than head to tail if you see what I mean.

I'm on my phone at the moment but will try and post again later.

Ignore this. Your diagram is correct, I miss-read it.
 
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Okay, thank you though as well for checking out, I always like to receive confirmations of whether my work is correct, since I am doing this course online, and it's difficult with no teacher present or class peers with whom I can verify my work, hence why it is good that forums such as these exist.
 
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