Confused on diffraction grating question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum number of lines per meter for a diffraction grating given that four bright fringes appear on either side of the central maximum with a wavelength of 570 nm. Participants clarify that the order of the fringe, m, should be considered as 4 for the fourth bright fringe from the central maximum. The angle theta is crucial for the calculations, and it can be determined by the visibility of the m=4 beam, which can be greater than 45 degrees but less than 90 degrees. The final calculations involve using the equation d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) to find d, and then determining the number of lines per meter by taking the reciprocal of d. Understanding the relationship between the number of fringes and the corresponding angles is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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1. Homework Statement

a) Exactly 4 bright fringes are seen on either side of the central maximum when a diffraction grating is illuminated with yellow-green light of a wavelength of 570 nm. What is the maximum number of lines/meter for the grating?


2. Homework Equations

sin(theta) = m(wavelength) / d

so solving for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta)


3. The Attempt at a Solution

I want to find the max number of lines/ meter for the grating
so d= ? m/line
m = 0 because the question says central maximum
wavelength is given to you and in meters it is 570*10^-9 m

***what i don't understand is how do you find the angle Theta? Does it have to do with the "4 bright fringes" part of the question? And does that mean m=4?

because after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
 
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dewdrop714 said:
1. Homework Statement

a) Exactly 4 bright fringes are seen on either side of the central maximum when a diffraction grating is illuminated with yellow-green light of a wavelength of 570 nm. What is the maximum number of lines/meter for the grating?2. Homework Equations

sin(theta) = m(wavelength) / d

so solving for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta)3. The Attempt at a Solution

I want to find the max number of lines/ meter for the grating
so d= ? m/line
m = 0 because the question says central maximum
wavelength is given to you and in meters it is 570*10^-9 m

***what i don't understand is how do you find the angle Theta? Does it have to do with the "4 bright fringes" part of the question? And does that mean m=4?
Yes! Also, what is the largest angle you could have?

... because after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
Yes, that's the idea.
 
so m = 4? or m = 0? and is the largest angle you can have 180 degrees? I am still very confused on this question...
 
m = 4 for the fourth fringe from the the central maximum.

PF_diffraction-grating_2009-03-21.gif


Hope this picture shows you what is going on. The m=4 diffracted beams are shown in green. How large can the angle θ be, and still have that m=4 beam (the green beam to the left) be visible?
 
dewdrop714 said:
so m = 4? or m = 0? and is the largest angle you can have 180 degrees? I am still very confused on this question...


Yes. In that 8 bright fringes are there. All of them are equally spaced. So what will be the angular separation of the first bright fringe from the central fringe?
 
is the angle 90? so then sin of 90 = 1?
 
Yes. Now you can do what you said before:
... after finding the angle Theta i would be able to solve for d = m(wavelength) / sin(theta) and get an answer. Then I would do 1/answer to get the final answer in lines/m.
 
thank you so much! =]
 
I have the same problem but I can not understand the communication between the two of you. M=4 correct? but why would the angle be 90 and not 45?
 
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Yes, M=4.

In the figure in post #4: We're talking about the angle between the central, vertical green ray and either of the other green rays. Is it not clear that angle could be more than 45? (It's roughly 80 in the figure).
 
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