Container with two gases and equation of state

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a cylindrical container with two gas compartments, where work is done on the lower compartment. The key equations of state and internal energy are provided, leading to the application of the first law of thermodynamics for both chambers. The upper compartment maintains constant pressure while the lower compartment operates at constant volume, resulting in a relationship between the heat transferred and the work done. The final temperatures of both compartments are equal, but their pressures differ, allowing for the calculation of the final state. The solution is confirmed to be correct, demonstrating a solid understanding of thermodynamic principles.
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Homework Statement


We have a cylindrical container filled with a gas: the container has an upper compartment with 2 moles of this gas, and another compartment below with 1 mole of the same gas, separated by a diathermic boundary, and also has an adiabatic mobile plunger over the upper compartment.
The lower compartment has a kind of grinder (I don't know how to translate it, sorry) which can do work on it. A picture of the container:



The initial pressure in both compartments and in the outside is p_0, and the temperature is T_0. The heat capacity at constant pressure is C_p = 3R.
Now imagine the "grinder" does 500J of work at the lower compartment. What will be the final (p,V,T) state of the two gases?

Homework Equations



The equation of state of the gas is
<br /> p(V-b) = nRT<br />

Also, the internal energy (as deduced in a previous part of the problem) is

<br /> U = 2nRT<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



It is clear that the upper compartment remains at constant pressure and that the temperature at both parts of the tank will be the same along the expansion of the upper gas.
The work done by the grinder is in form of heat, I think. But i don't know how to proceed. Any clues will be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Apply the first law to the two chambers individually. Let Q be the heat transferred from the lower chamber to the upper chamber. The stirrer (grinder) does 500 J of work on the gas in the lower chamber, and the process in the lower chamber takes place at constant volume. The process in the upper chamber takes place at constant pressure, so here Q = ΔH = ΔU + pΔV for that chamber. The final temperatures are the same, but the final pressures are not.
 
Ok. What about this:

Lower chamber:

\Delta U_1 = Q_{stirrer} - Q_{up} + p\Delta V

So using the expression for the internal energy and the constant volume:

2R\Delta T = 500 - Q_{up}

Upper chamber:

\Delta U_2 = Q_{up} - p\Delta V

So:

4R\Delta T = Q_{up} - p_0\Delta V

Adding up these two expressions we get:

6R\Delta T = 500 - p_0\Delta V

And now, from the equation of state:

\dfrac{nRT}{p} + b = V \Rightarrow \Delta V = \dfrac{nR}{p}\Delta T, so in the upper chamber \Delta V = \dfrac{2R}{p_0}\Delta T

Replacing it in the last equation we get:

6R\Delta T = 500 - p_0\Delta V = 500 - p_0 \dfrac{2R}{p_0}\Delta T = 500 - 2R \Delta T

And finally 8R\Delta T = 500, from where we can derive the final state of the two chambers.

Is it correct?
 
Yes. I think this is correct. In the equation for V, I think there should have been an nb rather than a b, but this canceled out when you wrote the equation for ΔV. You seem to have a very good feel for how to do this type of modelling. Nice work.

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