Container with two gases and equation of state

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The problem involves a cylindrical container with two compartments filled with the same gas, where one compartment has a mobile plunger and the other has a grinder that does work on the gas. The initial conditions include equal pressure and temperature in both compartments, and the task is to determine the final state of pressure, volume, and temperature after work is done on the gas in the lower compartment.

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  • Participants discuss applying the first law of thermodynamics to each chamber separately, considering heat transfer and work done. There are questions about the nature of the work done by the grinder and its effects on the gas in both compartments.

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Some participants have proposed equations relating changes in internal energy, heat transfer, and work done. There is a suggestion that the final temperatures will be the same, but the final pressures may differ. One participant expresses confidence in their approach, while another offers a minor correction regarding the equation of state.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the translation of terms and the specific setup of the problem, particularly concerning the grinder's function and the nature of heat transfer in the system.

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Homework Statement


We have a cylindrical container filled with a gas: the container has an upper compartment with 2 moles of this gas, and another compartment below with 1 mole of the same gas, separated by a diathermic boundary, and also has an adiabatic mobile plunger over the upper compartment.
The lower compartment has a kind of grinder (I don't know how to translate it, sorry) which can do work on it. A picture of the container:



The initial pressure in both compartments and in the outside is [itex]p_0[/itex], and the temperature is [itex]T_0[/itex]. The heat capacity at constant pressure is [itex]C_p = 3R[/itex].
Now imagine the "grinder" does 500J of work at the lower compartment. What will be the final [itex](p,V,T)[/itex] state of the two gases?

Homework Equations



The equation of state of the gas is
[itex] p(V-b) = nRT[/itex]

Also, the internal energy (as deduced in a previous part of the problem) is

[itex] U = 2nRT[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



It is clear that the upper compartment remains at constant pressure and that the temperature at both parts of the tank will be the same along the expansion of the upper gas.
The work done by the grinder is in form of heat, I think. But i don't know how to proceed. Any clues will be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Apply the first law to the two chambers individually. Let Q be the heat transferred from the lower chamber to the upper chamber. The stirrer (grinder) does 500 J of work on the gas in the lower chamber, and the process in the lower chamber takes place at constant volume. The process in the upper chamber takes place at constant pressure, so here Q = ΔH = ΔU + pΔV for that chamber. The final temperatures are the same, but the final pressures are not.
 
Ok. What about this:

Lower chamber:

[itex]\Delta U_1 = Q_{stirrer} - Q_{up} + p\Delta V[/itex]

So using the expression for the internal energy and the constant volume:

[itex]2R\Delta T = 500 - Q_{up}[/itex]

Upper chamber:

[itex]\Delta U_2 = Q_{up} - p\Delta V[/itex]

So:

[itex]4R\Delta T = Q_{up} - p_0\Delta V[/itex]

Adding up these two expressions we get:

[itex]6R\Delta T = 500 - p_0\Delta V[/itex]

And now, from the equation of state:

[itex]\dfrac{nRT}{p} + b = V \Rightarrow \Delta V = \dfrac{nR}{p}\Delta T[/itex], so in the upper chamber [itex]\Delta V = \dfrac{2R}{p_0}\Delta T[/itex]

Replacing it in the last equation we get:

[itex]6R\Delta T = 500 - p_0\Delta V = 500 - p_0 \dfrac{2R}{p_0}\Delta T = 500 - 2R \Delta T[/itex]

And finally [itex]8R\Delta T = 500[/itex], from where we can derive the final state of the two chambers.

Is it correct?
 
Yes. I think this is correct. In the equation for V, I think there should have been an nb rather than a b, but this canceled out when you wrote the equation for ΔV. You seem to have a very good feel for how to do this type of modelling. Nice work.

Chet
 

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